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WV Hoopie
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« on: July 15, 2005, 02:10:00 PM »

Should I ask for a MSDS? This stuff needs to be shared with others. Found it on another thread..........for that good tooooob sound.

http://www.altmann.haan.de/tubeolator/default.htm
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« Reply #1 on: July 15, 2005, 02:34:53 PM »

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Should I ask for a MSDS? This stuff needs to be shared with others. Found it on another thread..........for that good tooooob sound.

http://www.altmann.haan.de/tubeolator/default.htm


I LOVE IT!

Right up there with high-colonics and copper bracelets!

I'm telling you, I'm in the wrong business! Thanks for passing that along, I'm going to shoot this one over to my drinking buddies at Bose!

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« Reply #2 on: July 15, 2005, 02:39:47 PM »

The disclaimer is good:
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Attention: Experience has shown, that power transistors in certain circuit topologies CAN over-react to Altmann “Tube-o-lator" lacquer. Over-reaction will lead to a dumb sound (that will make you feel sick), because too many overtones are filtered. If you experience over-reaction of a device, remove the “Tube-o-lator" lacquer with a carpet knife after curing, or wipe away before curing.


Maybe that's the problem on today's amateur bands. Maybe the big 3 manufacturers are using this stuff.
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« Reply #3 on: July 15, 2005, 03:08:44 PM »

Sometime ask W2KBW about his dwindling supply of S-Meter oil.  Apparently when you use that, weak signals (e.g., S-5) get much stronger (e.g. 40 db over).  It's all in the action of the S-Meter. :roll:
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kc2ifr
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« Reply #4 on: July 15, 2005, 03:48:43 PM »

Will that stuff work with those Class E things?Huh? Wink
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Glenn K2KL
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« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2005, 04:26:50 PM »

Ok, on a stretch, I can understand the rubber rings someone sells to reduce mircophonics on tubes, but this? This can't be serious..

Aren't there some sort of truth in advertising laws?... I'm sure a good lawyer could make some money on these clowns....

friggin unbelievable!!!!
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GEORGE/W2AMR
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« Reply #6 on: July 15, 2005, 05:11:11 PM »

Quote from: WV Hoopie
Should I ask for a MSDS? This stuff needs to be shared with others. Found it on another thread..........for that good tooooob sound.

http://www.altmann.haan.de/tubeolator/default.htm

Wonder what would happen if you dipped your Johnson in it?
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Glenn K2KL
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« Reply #7 on: July 15, 2005, 05:13:55 PM »

I guess I answered my own question... they're located in Germany...



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Ok, on a stretch, I can understand the rubber rings someone sells to reduce mircophonics on tubes, but this? This can't be serious..

Aren't there some sort of truth in advertising laws?... I'm sure a good lawyer could make some money on these clowns....

friggin unbelievable!!!!
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« Reply #8 on: July 15, 2005, 05:35:22 PM »

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Quote from: WV Hoopie
Should I ask for a MSDS? This stuff needs to be shared with others. Found it on another thread..........for that good tooooob sound.

http://www.altmann.haan.de/tubeolator/default.htm

Wonder what would happen if you dipped your Johnson in it?


Make it sound better?????????
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KA1ZGC
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« Reply #9 on: July 15, 2005, 05:35:30 PM »

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Ok, on a stretch, I can understand the rubber rings someone sells to reduce mircophonics on tubes, but this? This can't be serious..


I once met a guy who claimed to have spent $30,000 on his CD player. Had to be bungee-mounted so it didn't skip when someone farted in the next house. If I can beleive this guy's claims, he probably spent $1/2M on the whole system, which, incendentally, sounded like ass-warmed-over to my ears.

The guy does have far more money than brains, so he probably really did spend that much.

These guys don't care about good sound, they're into pecker-matching about how much they spent on their systems. Quality be damned, if it costs more, it's better!

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friggin unbelievable!!!!


To you and me, yep. To these idiots, any snake oil is good snake oil.

Here's some gems:

"The mechanism behind the filtering abilities of this specifically designed lacquer is of electrical or electromechanical nature." (emphasis added)

...followed immediately by...

"We are not able to provide an accurate description why the "Tube-o-lator" stuff actually works. Maybe some of you guys out there will solve this mystery and tell us." (again, emphasis added)

Specifically designed to do what it does, but we don't know what it does or how it does it, please tell us!

BRILLIANT!

And, of course, right at the very top:

"Attention: This product is no longer available for sale (see ordering information for details)."

Ooops... probably already got sued!

15,000 quatloos to anyone who can cross-reference the chemical composition posted on the site to determine whether it's rubber cement or black fingernail polish.

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« Reply #10 on: July 15, 2005, 05:51:32 PM »

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Will that stuff work with those Class E things?Huh? Wink


No Bill, But I thought you were using it to get that FAT sound...HA

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« Reply #11 on: July 15, 2005, 05:53:09 PM »

Quote from: Herb K2VH
Sometime ask W2KBW about his dwindling supply of S-Meter oil.  Apparently when you use that, weak signals (e.g., S-5) get much stronger (e.g. 40 db over).  It's all in the action of the S-Meter. :roll:


Or Marconi Antenna Wax....
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Glenn K2KL
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« Reply #12 on: July 15, 2005, 06:48:45 PM »

Wow!... what a paradox!

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Specifically designed to do what it does, but we don't know what it does or how it does it, please tell us!


It's probably just torque seal...
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Glenn K2KL
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« Reply #13 on: July 15, 2005, 06:49:39 PM »

Or trap fluid!!  :lol:  :lol:

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Sometime ask W2KBW about his dwindling supply of S-Meter oil.  Apparently when you use that, weak signals (e.g., S-5) get much stronger (e.g. 40 db over).  It's all in the action of the S-Meter. :roll:


Or Marconi Antenna Wax....
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wa2zdy
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« Reply #14 on: July 15, 2005, 07:02:46 PM »

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Wonder what would happen if you dipped your Johnson in it?


Oh, oh, the abuse I've taken in my life.  Yet I've never heard it suggested that I be dipped in black magic marker ink  . . .

73,

Chris JOHNSON, WA2ZDY


(Just kidding of course!)
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GEORGE/W2AMR
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« Reply #15 on: July 15, 2005, 07:09:20 PM »

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Wonder what would happen if you dipped your Johnson in it?


Oh, oh, the abuse I've taken in my life.  Yet I've never heard it suggested that I be dipped in black magic marker ink  . . .

73,

Chris JOHNSON, WA2ZDY


(Just kidding of course!)
Wrong Johnson Buddy. Cheesy
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« Reply #16 on: July 15, 2005, 07:23:03 PM »

Now I really have seen everything. There is no end to their madness. It only goes to prove that a fool and his money will soon part.
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KA1ZGC
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« Reply #17 on: July 18, 2005, 01:21:10 PM »

You thought that was bad, take a look at this:

http://www.referenceaudiomods.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=NOB_C37_C&Category_Code=VOLUME&Product_Count=2

Yes, that's right: wooden volume knobs for a mere $485.00!

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The sound becomes much more open and free flowing with a nice improvement in resolution. Dynamics are better and overall naturalness is improved.


Proving once again: you ain't got nuthin' if you aint' got wood!

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Glenn K2KL
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« Reply #18 on: July 18, 2005, 02:05:49 PM »

I like the quote... "vibrations find there way into the signal path.."

...."dynamics are better"? :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:

What's the matter with you Thom! you can't hear the difference between the bakelite knobs and the wood knobs?

geez! why not carbon fibre!.... Joe's right... a fool and his money...


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You thought that was bad, take a look at this:

http://www.referenceaudiomods.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=NOB_C37_C&Category_Code=VOLUME&Product_Count=2

Yes, that's right: wooden volume knobs for a mere $485.00!

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The sound becomes much more open and free flowing with a nice improvement in resolution. Dynamics are better and overall naturalness is improved.


Proving once again: you ain't got nuthin' if you aint' got wood!

--Thom
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« Reply #19 on: July 18, 2005, 02:17:27 PM »

Yep, and the audio cables pictured below cost $1,080.  

http://www.referenceaudiomods.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=RAM&Product_Code=ACT_SIGN_A




And, this two pot volume control in a wooden box for $6,820.


Unbelieveable. I once ran into a telescope guy who tried to sell me
one of those tube 10W amplifiers for $22,000. He had a crazy look in
his eyes as he pitched me.

After reading the sales brouchures on this kind of stuff, I think most
is written by technical con men and the sheep followers believe it to
be gospel - the sheep have good intentions, just like any cult member in
the ranks.

T
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« Reply #20 on: July 18, 2005, 02:24:00 PM »

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« Reply #21 on: July 18, 2005, 02:33:40 PM »

The only wood I see in these ads in in the heads of the idiots who buy this crap!
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« Reply #22 on: July 18, 2005, 02:34:44 PM »

I was once shopping at Home Depot for some rubber covered, 12awg stranded copper wire to use as speaker wire for my guitar cabinets. Found some great stuff, cheap price, and as the guy in the orange vest was measuring some lengths for me he asked me "what ya gonna use this for?"... I said uh, speaker wire.. he said "oh no! you can't use this for speaker wire!!!... I said "and why not?" his answer was "because it will cause interference".... no joke!!  :lol:  :lol:
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« Reply #23 on: July 18, 2005, 02:38:07 PM »

Oh yeah, Glenn, I know about that.  It's called HWSI -- Heavy Wire Speaker Interference.  It's very dangerous!! :p
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K2VHerb
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Glenn K2KL
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« Reply #24 on: July 18, 2005, 02:43:58 PM »

The guy went on to tell me you have to use wire that is specifically designated as "speaker wire"... I was about to ask him... what the difference was but I had just eaten and didn't want to spit-up at his answer.

Oh yea! I've heard of that HWSI Herb, causes unwanted vibrations in the human body, and possible uncontrolled random dancing  :lol:  :lol:

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Oh yeah, Glenn, I know about that.  It's called HWSI -- Heavy Wire Speaker Interference.  It's very dangerous!! :p
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