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KI4OWV
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« on: December 31, 2006, 02:49:14 AM »

First off I'd like to say I'm sorry for the QRM from the south. To me it started when I was listening to 3825 and the slopbucketeer cranked up on 3828 with 5k and said he had 35% more if he needed it (to move the ayemer's). I am just a tech (50 years old) But I believe the am'ers keep the spirit alive. I'm sitting in SC and listening on an HQ-129-X that I have modded (if interested email me). It is hot. I waited a year for the "Heavy  Metal rally" (this will be my third) to hear you guys and then had to put up with this crap. The jamming sounds like something from a third world country. (3835? I think now) I have to find the exact freq. by zero beating a sig generator to the '129. I can't believe a ham would do this to another ham(jamming) to a once a year, one nite, QSO party that bothers no one. I am going to the fridge for another '807 now and I will shuttup.....but it is still a shame.
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« Reply #1 on: December 31, 2006, 02:01:27 PM »

Hello
I agree. I'm sure there may be a fellow operator who reads our posts and causes some of the problems we encounter. That is always the fear I have when we have these events, that some fellow lover of radio  Huh will mess up our party. It even amazes me how aother AM QSO fires up 5kc away! The SSB is bad enough 3kc away!
We (AMers) were taken to the cleaners and lost whatever advantage there was to a 1KW output on AM. This rule change was before my time as an AMer. Somebody knew the math concerning an AM signal and used it against us. We are at a 6dB DISadvantage compared to SSB.
SHOOT  Angry I think I'll move to Canada and get a Ham ticket there!! I think they are still allowed 1KW out.............to HECK with this P.E.P. stuff Undecided 
Happy New Year..............just venting........sorry
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« Reply #2 on: December 31, 2006, 02:57:29 PM »

Yeah it was an irritant. 

If you're talking about the QSO I was part of, yes, I had slid down from 3880Kc to the very clear 3825, where we had a good two hours (all of it on tape) before the slopbuckets came onto 3828 and started complaining about us. You can hear them set up and come in, actionable documentation under FCC enforcement criteria.

I looked around, and sure enough, it was totally vacant from 3830 to 3840, so I came back and announced that I'd move the transmitter up ten and LETS GO. 

While keyed down (scary while standing at a 1000 lb transmitter)  I moved precisely 10KC, hopefully right through the idiots, and we were unaccosted for at least the next two hours and until I went to bed.

Sway it goes.

What ended up a nice coincidence was the fact we subsequently were very close to the Antique Wireless Association's standard frequency of 3837. Bruce, W2XR took note, and mentioned that there had been some talk that they would put the James Millen transmitter on the air last night,crystal controlled.

That would have enabled all of us to roll out the red carpet for that historic rig.  Maybe they came on after I'd signed, but it was a good thought.

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« Reply #3 on: December 31, 2006, 03:39:49 PM »

We (AMers) were taken to the cleaners and lost whatever advantage there was to a 1KW output on AM. This rule change was before my time as an AMer. Somebody knew the math concerning an AM signal and used it against us. We are at a 6dB DISadvantage compared to SSB.
SHOOT  Angry I think I'll move to Canada and get a Ham ticket there!! I think they are still allowed 1KW out.............to HECK with this P.E.P. stuff Undecided 

Canadian hams are allowed 1 kw DC input on AM or its equivalent, 750 w carrier output.  But there is a 3 dB clause that  has been interpreted two ways.  One is that the transmitter may be capable of running up to 3 dB beyond the legal power limit.  The other is that the power output can be kept within 3 dB of the nominal limit and still be considere legal.  Fred Hammond, VE3HC (now SK), used to interpret it as the latter, and run 1500 watts fully modulated AM carrier output with his converted broadcast transmitter.

It was Johnny Johnston (now retired) who used be in charge of the rulemaking division of the Private Radio Bureau at the FCC (the section of the agency that was in  charge of amateur rulemaking) who ramrodded the present power limit through, using every deceptive tactic imaginable, and when petitions for reconsideration were submitted, he skillfully sidestepped the objections and addressed bogus issues, even to the point of blaming K1MAN.

I have a paper file of FCC documents, news items and submitted comments on the power limit issue that is several inches thick.

But theoretically, the pep limit hurts slopbucket almost as much as it does AM, assuming that the slopbucket station is operated cleanly and properly, without driving the final into saturation on voice peaks.  So which is the greater violation, an AM'er stretching the limit reached on occasional voice peaks, or 80% of the slopbucketeers running high power, who keep their peaks within the legal limit by clipping and flat-topping as they overdrive their leenyars?
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« Reply #4 on: December 31, 2006, 03:47:28 PM »

That group on 3827 mighta been Wally, Richert, Fahrball, 'n' the gang.  Same southern accents, same slurring of the callsigns, and patent evidence of Mensa material all around.

I listened to them for a bit just after the group moved up.  The best comment was "One a them thar AMers was so wahd I could copy him on the sideband band too!"  Grin
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« Reply #5 on: December 31, 2006, 08:15:01 PM »

No, it wasn't Wally and Richard but some others that are just as stupid. I forget one of the clowns call but when I looked him up on QRZ, it stated he operates on 3827 nightly. So I guess he must own it. It also stated he was an OO.  Roll Eyes
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KI4OWV
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« Reply #6 on: January 01, 2007, 12:02:50 AM »

Heard the same bunch of ex (or still active) saybee'ers on 3828 (or 27) tonight. The high powered op from last night id'd in morse and the only way I might could read it was with headphones and audio processing (which I did not have on) But - I got his buddy's call. I was listening to 3885 and just spun the dial and cut in the product detector. Paul VJB has got the whole thing on tape from last night but I think the slopbucketeer talked about his illegal power (and moving the ayem'ers) after the crowd had already moved up 10kc's. Cry
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« Reply #7 on: January 01, 2007, 10:59:42 AM »

Sigh...    Cry   Like an idjit, I negelected to check what frequencies were in use, so I hung around 3725ish all night.     Sad   Bah! What a cretin I am!    (Need an emoticon fer kickin' myself in the ass!)
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« Reply #8 on: January 01, 2007, 01:50:43 PM »

Sigh...    Cry   Like an idjit, I negelected to check what frequencies were in use, so I hung around 3725ish all night.     Sad   Bah! What a cretin I am!    (Need an emoticon fer kickin' myself in the ass!)



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