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« on: February 24, 2013, 10:18:10 AM »

Had a meeting with Wayne WA1SSJ Friday at Mark, KA2QFX's Qth and saw my power supply / modulator for the first time.  Here are some pictures.

Al


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« Reply #1 on: February 24, 2013, 11:07:59 AM »

Hi Al,

What your not building your own rig???  Your now retired and should have all the time in the world  Wink

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« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2013, 11:14:45 AM »

You'll be world-wide when your get that thing on the air. You were loud the other night on 75 meters, so it should be interesting. Just don't tell anyone about the pink wire.  Wink
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« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2013, 11:18:56 AM »

Looks spiffy, Al.  The shielded terminal strip on the back is smart.

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« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2013, 12:22:29 PM »

It's coming along, Al.

Looks like a PDM modulator.  Let's see, using a 15 amp meter, is this for a 6 pill RF deck?

Question: The pink coil - looks like the PDM modulator filter - how did you get away with just one coil vs: three?  Maybe there are toroidal xfmrs to be added?


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« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2013, 12:29:35 PM »

What no tubes? there should be at least on 12AX7 in there to give it "warmth"

It sure looks nice but I hope the silence that it will not make won't keep you from falling asleep Grin Grin Grin

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« Reply #6 on: February 24, 2013, 02:50:20 PM »

It's coming along, Al.

Looks like a PDM modulator.  Let's see, using a 15 amp meter, is this for a 6 pill RF deck?

Question: The pink coil - looks like the PDM modulator filter - how did you get away with just one coil vs: three?  Maybe there are toroidal xfmrs to be added?


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8 pills in the rf amp

PWM modulator....

DC to 6khz. :-)
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« Reply #7 on: February 24, 2013, 04:35:41 PM »

That coil ain't pink-it's light red :-). Looking good, Al!! After reading about the tiny sand-state, that is the only way to go solid-state on AM. Now I got another project when I retire.
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« Reply #8 on: February 24, 2013, 05:01:16 PM »

It's coming along, Al.

Looks like a PDM modulator.  Let's see, using a 15 amp meter, is this for a 6 pill RF deck?

Question: The pink coil - looks like the PDM modulator filter - how did you get away with just one coil vs: three?  Maybe there are toroidal xfmrs to be added?


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Most people only use 2 inductors, I have a feeling the second one just hasn't been mounted yet.

( the only one's I've seen or heard of with three inductors, are those that are built for 'extra' power output, instead of just the measly 400watt carrier and 150% + modulation.  :-)  )

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« Reply #9 on: February 24, 2013, 05:06:24 PM »


Looks like there is still work to be done in there, Al...

Only one item on that panel is wired.

I also note the scratched "TOP" on there.   Grin
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« Reply #10 on: February 24, 2013, 05:45:07 PM »

The other inductor is a toroid.  Only the input inductor is air wound.

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« Reply #11 on: February 24, 2013, 10:19:38 PM »

The other inductor is a toroid.  Only the input inductor is air wound.



That sounds familiar.    Smiley
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« Reply #12 on: February 25, 2013, 09:04:24 AM »

..I deleted duplicate info.  At least you know I didn't fall asleap in my rocking chair  Grin
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« Reply #13 on: February 25, 2013, 09:13:01 AM »

You'll be world-wide when your get that thing on the air. You were loud the other night on 75 meters, so it should be interesting. Just don't tell anyone about the pink wire.  Wink

Less than 1/2 an S unit but I'll take what I can get along with the efficiency. I'll just have to give Rosie a heating pad to replace the heat of the 32V1  Grin

Full disclosure.  Previous math had to be corrected.  It's still less than 1/2 an S unit.  Here's the Excel file with the corrected math.  You can test it out by inputting into the yellow fields.

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« Reply #14 on: February 25, 2013, 03:25:14 PM »

You'll be world-wide when your get that thing on the air. You were loud the other night on 75 meters, so it should be interesting. Just don't tell anyone about the pink wire.  Wink

Less than 1/2 an S unit but I'll take what I can get along with the efficiency. I'll just have to give Rosie a heating pad to replace the heat of the 32V1  Grin



Don't cut the 32V1 short Al.  It sounded very good on the AWA net yesterday.  Very strong and excellent audio. 

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« Reply #15 on: February 25, 2013, 09:07:30 PM »

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Don't cut the 32V1 short Al.  It sounded very good on the AWA net yesterday.  Very strong and excellent audio.  Joe, GMS

I agree with Joe, as a matter of factor, I thought many times you were on your 5000?

Some may scoff at that complement but it sounds that good to me. Now the question, why did you want a class E rig? No 12AX7's etc Grin Grin Grin
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« Reply #16 on: February 25, 2013, 09:34:01 PM »

Joe / Terry

Point taken. I might have an option.  Gotta talk to my contractor friend

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« Reply #17 on: February 26, 2013, 06:25:19 AM »

There comes a time in one's life that the hassle of gathering parts; then design and build something just isn't there any more.
Right now I wish there was a solid state no-tune linear kit available. They are handy when there are band excursions and following DX. Prolly 600W is ok for starters.
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« Reply #18 on: February 26, 2013, 10:15:33 AM »

kPA 500 Elecraft, but alas not class E.
But it comes with a very cool toroid power transformer. Cool
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« Reply #19 on: February 26, 2013, 10:39:06 AM »

Ameritron makes a few ss amps too. Tokyo Hi-Power makes some very nice ones, with a nice price tag!
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« Reply #20 on: February 26, 2013, 04:19:14 PM »

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Right now I wish there was a solid state no-tune linear kit available. They are handy when there are band excursions and following DX. Prolly 600W is ok for starters.
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Got $6k?  That'll give you close to "legal limit"

http://www.tokyohypower.com/hl-2_5kfx.html

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« Reply #21 on: February 26, 2013, 05:01:57 PM »

There comes a time in one's life that the hassle of gathering parts; then design and build something just isn't there any more.
Right now I wish there was a solid state no-tune linear kit available. They are handy when there are band excursions and following DX. Prolly 600W is ok for starters.
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Nice amp and a mere bag of shells at $2K for the kit:

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« Reply #22 on: February 26, 2013, 05:20:36 PM »

Here's one:

http://www.w6kan.com/ssamp.html

More science projecty, but its cheap and he spells it out for you. Buy the RF module from Communications concepts as a kit and put it together.
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« Reply #23 on: February 26, 2013, 05:59:38 PM »

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Don't cut the 32V1 short Al.  It sounded very good on the AWA net yesterday.  Very strong and excellent audio.  Joe, GMS

I agree with Joe, as a matter of factor, I thought many times you were on your 5000?

Some may scoff at that complement but it sounds that good to me. Now the question, why did you want a class E rig? No 12AX7's etc Grin Grin Grin

For whatever reason, all other things being equal (microphone, audio processing, etc.), the class E rigs sound better than the Flex radios.  No good explanation available - just on the air observations.
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« Reply #24 on: February 26, 2013, 07:12:55 PM »

It's the bias.
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