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« on: December 12, 2008, 09:42:51 AM »

I just read there are no acorns this year. I usually have a big crop. None in my yard. Once I thought it meant lots of snow but it didn't happen. Poor tree rats are going to have a tuff winter.
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« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2008, 09:46:38 AM »

I thought this was going to be about a shortage of RCA 954, 955, & 956's. Smiley
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« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2008, 10:23:06 AM »

Nerd.
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« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2008, 10:25:52 AM »

I just read there are no acorns this year. I usually have a big crop. None in my yard. Once I thought it meant lots of snow but it didn't happen. Poor tree rats are going to have a tuff winter.

That issue was covered in a recent Washington Post...Few acorns in the DC area this year. Here in the west, my Bur and Gambel Oaks didn't do any this year, either. Oaks are pretty tough things, though. And most of them seem to take a break from making acorns every other year. 2008 was a rather dry year a lot of places in the CONUS, too.
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« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2008, 10:55:04 AM »

Don't tell the squirrels, we don't need immigrants, but they are all over the yard from the  post oaks.  Like walking on ball bearings.  It hasn't been particularly wet this year, maybe normal precip, but that was early in the season.
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« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2008, 10:56:32 AM »

The lack of acorns was compensated for by the huge bumper crop of walnuts we had.  The bushy-tails have to dig a much bigger hole in my yard to bury those than they do for acorns.
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« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2008, 11:05:06 AM »

If you read it in the Washington Compost, it's likely incorrect. Tons of acorns here, just a few hours south of DC.
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« Reply #7 on: December 12, 2008, 11:31:32 AM »

I agree with that assessment of the 'beltwaste compost.'
We had tons of acorns, hickory and walnuts.
- One hell of a mast year, par excellence.
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« Reply #8 on: December 12, 2008, 11:45:44 AM »

My other QTH Hickory had a good crop but the oaks were bare. Same in Enfield where most trees are oak. We have none and it was a wet year around here.
I might throw some bird seed on the ground to bail out the poor tree rats when it gets real cold.
The cat loves to chase them for sport.
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« Reply #9 on: December 12, 2008, 12:44:47 PM »

From what I've seen, the tree dump more acorns after a dry summer. I guess they feel the threat of impending death (no water) so they make sure the species lives on.
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« Reply #10 on: December 12, 2008, 01:01:48 PM »

Interesting I never thought of that one. I have seen a lot when it is dry.
I noticed the big white oak at the beach didn't look that great this year. I thought the high water table may have effected it. The surface is only about 4 feet above the swamp and water table.
I once claimed it was going to be a heavy snow year. We got nothing, got a good raz from everyone. My boss made the same clain two years ago and he was also wrong.
I wonder if this is also true in humans??
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« Reply #11 on: December 12, 2008, 03:25:33 PM »

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I wonder if this is also true in humans??

They usually procreate more when drinking.
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« Reply #12 on: December 12, 2008, 03:40:20 PM »

Nothing new. I've seen this over the years from oaks and other nut producing trees.  My oaks didn't produce many acorns this year but last year was just the opposite and an incredible amount.  In the back corner I have a hickory tree. It produced a gazillion nuts 2 years ago, hardly anything this year.  I remember the same thing at my parents place when I was JN.

What I'm very glad about is the non-existant lady bugs this year.  Last year they drove me nuts throughout the winter. And no big hairy and juicy spiders either. 

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« Reply #13 on: December 12, 2008, 07:42:56 PM »

Yup everything in cycles ....

Some trees will go several years and not produce a thing..
Then go 10 years with lots of fruit (nuts, berries.... whatever)

What I noticed here is a LOT of acorns on the ground...
That is unusual... usually those tree-rats (nice Frank!) have them all scooped up, buried, and forgotten before they hit the ground.

Hopefully that means they've moved on to tear the crap out of someone else's house, and not MINE!

Or the Coyotes, Fishers and Fox have them a little worried......



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« Reply #14 on: December 12, 2008, 09:10:44 PM »

Interesting thread. Hadn't thought about it but thinking back this year was light on acorns, hickory and walnuts in southeast PA. I have large Black and English walnut trees behind my property and did not have the usual round green liter in the back alley. So for the yard rats, did any of you guys ever smoke Grey squirrel hind quarters? Hickory smoke that is. Goes good with beverage of choice.
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« Reply #15 on: December 12, 2008, 09:31:23 PM »

Used to just skin them, quarter them and fry the four parts in flower batter, onions, or cornmeal, etc.
Never thought to try to smoke them.  Took a mess to make dinner for more than one.
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« Reply #16 on: December 13, 2008, 09:35:07 AM »

I think the problem is related to the shortage of bees.
For some reason,, they are dying out. 
At my in-law's house in Providence RI, there are two large oak trees which produced barrells and barrels of acorns.  This year nothing.

Einstein said that the fate of humans is closely tied to the fate of bees.

I am not chasing the squirrels from the bird feeder this season.

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« Reply #17 on: December 13, 2008, 10:36:01 AM »

I'm not sure of the reason for the acorn shortage, but I see the result. The squirrels appear to be in a panic trying to find "stuff" to bury in the yard. My wife and I are conducting a yard-wide war on them as they appear to be targeting all the areas we re-seeded this fall. They have acres of woods to play in, and in years past that's where they've conducted their business, but they have suddenly taken a new interest in excavating the yard for some reason. Ah well, I've got lots of pellets for the Crossman Pumpmaster!
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« Reply #18 on: December 13, 2008, 10:54:23 AM »

My feline friend keeps the rodents at bay.  It's funny to watch her stalk them and then go on the chase.
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« Reply #19 on: December 13, 2008, 11:53:18 AM »

We had plenty of bees here in the garden. The cat kept the varmits out of the garden so it was my best crop in 5 years. Today the birds are going crazy in the feeder. The cat came in for 5 minutes and she went right back out to chase them.
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« Reply #20 on: December 13, 2008, 12:07:27 PM »

The acorn shortage is an evolutionary survival tactic of oak trees.

From what I've read, every three years or so oak trees produce few acorns. This causes the squirrels and other users to starve over the winter and decrease the rodent population. Otherwise, if the trees produced abundantly every year, the varmit population would soar and oak trees would soon die out lacking new sprouts.

I've noticed the same cycle with apple trees and nut trees too.  I suppose it's like everything evolutionary - nature simply tries everything possible and the species that survive are the ones that happen to use the best method (by chance) for the particular era. Over the ages, there are probably many, many tree varities that simply vanished cuz they produced abundant, edible seeds every year. Oak trees just happened to get it right.

Speaking of squirrels, I wonder how popular they'd be if they didn't have bushy tails and didn't live in trees? 

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« Reply #21 on: December 13, 2008, 05:16:36 PM »

Hmmmm...   Tom, I'm guessing that if their ears are big enough, it just might work out for them...


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« Reply #22 on: December 13, 2008, 06:06:18 PM »

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I have large Black and English walnut trees behind my property and did not have the usual round green liter in the back alley

Are you kidding me?? The bottom half of my yard was nothing but a carpet of black walnut husks. The portion by the hickory trees were also littered with, homage to Euell Gibbons, wild hickory nuts! That was after the tree rats ransacked them.
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« Reply #23 on: December 13, 2008, 11:48:45 PM »

No shortage of acorns from our oaks (we have many) in the yard here in SE CT.  No shortage of leaves either - one of the heaviest leaf drops I can recall in 29 years since we moved in here.  Of course the trees get bigger every year, and this year there were not many dry days that I could rake leaves up on after they all came down with a thump all at once...finally got them up last weekend.
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« Reply #24 on: December 14, 2008, 12:27:03 AM »

Man that is weird Chris what are we maybe 15 miles apart Niantic to
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