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« on: September 10, 2005, 01:46:17 PM »

Anybody know what they were?

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« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2005, 02:21:37 PM »

I would hate to guess, however this 6000 lb Dodge Ram (Cummins diesel) layed waste to this '03 supercharged Cobra.  Just amazing!  This video is big (abt 14megs) so beware on slow connections.  It's worth seeing if you have time to DL.

http://www.arksky.org/usrfils/notplayinggames.mp2

Look at the 1/4 mile time and speed at the end of this race.  One brute truck!
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« Reply #2 on: September 10, 2005, 03:45:41 PM »

Anybody know what they were?

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1. 1966 427 Cobra
2. 1966 427 Corvette
3. 1969 Road Runner
4. 1969 Camaro SS396
5. 1970 Hemi ’Cuda
6. 1970 Chevelle SS454
7. 1969 ZL1 Camaro
8. 1968 Corvette
9. 1970 Cobra
10. 1970 Road Runner

http://moparmusclemagazine.com/thehistoryof/75739/
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« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2005, 04:32:38 PM »

I would hate to guess, however this 6000 lb Dodge Ram (Cummins diesel) layed waste to this '03 supercharged Cobra.  Just amazing!  This video is big (abt 14megs) so beware on slow connections.  It's worth seeing if you have time to DL.

http://www.arksky.org/usrfils/notplayinggames.mp2

Look at the 1/4 mile time and speed at the end of this race.  One brute truck!

Hehe, that's some screaming fast truck. I'm supprised that he could keep the tires stuck to the ground.
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« Reply #4 on: September 10, 2005, 04:36:10 PM »

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« Reply #5 on: September 10, 2005, 04:45:51 PM »

I would hate to guess, however this 6000 lb Dodge Ram (Cummins diesel) layed waste to this '03 supercharged Cobra.  Just amazing!  This video is big (abt 14megs) so beware on slow connections.  It's worth seeing if you have time to DL.

http://www.arksky.org/usrfils/notplayinggames.mp2

Look at the 1/4 mile time and speed at the end of this race.  One brute truck!

Hehe, that's some screaming fast truck. I'm supprised that he could keep the tires stuck to the ground.
Wow.  That's serious horse power, and straight as an arrow too.   Looks like about 15" slicks on the back.
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« Reply #6 on: September 10, 2005, 05:22:57 PM »

Turn on your speakers and keep your eye on the 55 chevy in the left lane.

http://www.santoalt.com/videos/333_Drag_Race_Gone_Wrong.html
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« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2005, 11:53:47 PM »

Now does American Muscle cars only mean  those made in the 60's and 70's?
In my opinion they are still making muscle cars.
Chevy never stopped and neither did Ford. I think Dodge is in there too, who else?
So with that in mind I post the following for your consideration:
I did a comparison for some older and newer muscle cars. I can't guarantee the information from these web sites cause we all know that ya can't believe everything ya read on the internet.
OLD MUSCLE CARS
1966 AC Cobra 427  0 to 60 in 3.5 seconds
1968 Chevrolet Corvett L88  0 to 60 in 5.69 seconds
1969 Chevrolet Chevelle SS 396  0 to 60 in 5.71 seconds
1969 Dodge Super Bee 383   0 to 60 in 5.37 seconds
1969 Road Runner 0 to 60 in 5.1 seconds
1969 Chevrolet Camaro SS396  0 to 60 in 6.8 seconds
1967 427 Corvette 0 to 60 in 3.4 seconds
1970 Hemi Cuda 0 to 60 in 5.8 seconds

New Muscle Cars
2002 Chevrolet Corvette Z06  0 to 60 in 4.2 seconds
1985 Chevrolet Corvette  0 to 60 in 6.04 seconds
2000 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 Concept  0 to 60 in 2.7 seconds
1997 Dodge Viper GTS-r   0 to 60 in 2.9 seconds
1995 Ford GT-90   0 to 60 in 3.1 seconds
2005 Ford GT 550 hp  0 to 60 in 3.6 seconds
2002 Viper Hennessey Venom 1000TT 0 to 60 in 2.3 seconds

And the rediculus:
My 2002 Ford Mustang GT (not exactly stock) 0 to 60 in 5.1 seconds
2001 Hummer (AM General)  H1   0 to 60 in 14.8 seconds

Heck my car actually beats some of the muscle cars fro then and now! But they were stock.

Man that Viper Hennessey must be sumptin!
Best Regards
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« Reply #8 on: September 11, 2005, 06:49:10 AM »

Now does American Muscle cars only mean  those made in the 60's and 70's?
In my opinion they are still making muscle cars.
Chevy never stopped and neither did Ford. I think Dodge is in there too, who else?
So with that in mind I post the following for your consideration:
I did a comparison for some older and newer muscle cars. I can't guarantee the information from these web sites cause we all know that ya can't believe everything ya read on the internet.
OLD MUSCLE CARS
1966 AC Cobra 427  0 to 60 in 3.5 seconds
1968 Chevrolet Corvett L88  0 to 60 in 5.69 seconds
1969 Chevrolet Chevelle SS 396  0 to 60 in 5.71 seconds
1969 Dodge Super Bee 383   0 to 60 in 5.37 seconds
1969 Road Runner 0 to 60 in 5.1 seconds
1969 Chevrolet Camaro SS396  0 to 60 in 6.8 seconds
1967 427 Corvette 0 to 60 in 3.4 seconds
1970 Hemi Cuda 0 to 60 in 5.8 seconds

New Muscle Cars
2002 Chevrolet Corvette Z06  0 to 60 in 4.2 seconds
1985 Chevrolet Corvette  0 to 60 in 6.04 seconds
2000 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 Concept  0 to 60 in 2.7 seconds
1997 Dodge Viper GTS-r   0 to 60 in 2.9 seconds
1995 Ford GT-90   0 to 60 in 3.1 seconds
2005 Ford GT 550 hp  0 to 60 in 3.6 seconds
2002 Viper Hennessey Venom 1000TT 0 to 60 in 2.3 seconds

And the rediculus:
My 2002 Ford Mustang GT (not exactly stock) 0 to 60 in 5.1 seconds
2001 Hummer (AM General)  H1   0 to 60 in 14.8 seconds

Heck my car actually beats some of the muscle cars fro then and now! But they were stock.

Man that Viper Hennessey must be sumptin!
Best Regards
Q, W1QWT

I went with my list because the cars were listed in quickest 1/4 mile times, which is the usual standard. Many cars car post quick 0-60 times but then fall on their face on the top end. 
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« Reply #9 on: September 11, 2005, 07:01:12 AM »

Turn up the speakers and watch this bad ass old school  Camaro make a run. 

Click on this   
http://www.draglist.com/Movies/MOW-Mar-2003/MOW-033103.htm

then left click the draglist logo in the center of the page.
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« Reply #10 on: September 11, 2005, 11:02:35 AM »

Turn on your speakers and keep your eye on the 55 chevy in the left lane.

http://www.santoalt.com/videos/333_Drag_Race_Gone_Wrong.html

Whoa!  Was that a fiberglass body?  It just went into a meg of pieces!  Wonder if the driver made it.
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« Reply #11 on: September 11, 2005, 11:44:49 AM »

Turn on your speakers and keep your eye on the 55 chevy in the left lane.

http://www.santoalt.com/videos/333_Drag_Race_Gone_Wrong.html

Whoa!  Was that a fiberglass body?  It just went into a meg of pieces!  Wonder if the driver made it.
Probably a steel body with glass front end, doors,  and deck lid.  When it stopped, I doubt there was any fiberglass left bolted to the car.  I hope he had a strong cage in it. Nasty spill. Kinda like a sprint car flip.
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« Reply #12 on: September 11, 2005, 11:48:44 AM »

Turn on your speakers and keep your eye on the 55 chevy in the left lane.

http://www.santoalt.com/videos/333_Drag_Race_Gone_Wrong.html

Whoa!  Was that a fiberglass body?  It just went into a meg of pieces!  Wonder if the driver made it.
And the icing on the cake is. If you look closely  at the tree,  He red lighted.
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« Reply #13 on: September 11, 2005, 05:01:23 PM »

What about the '62-63 Dodge/Plymouth 413 cross-ram SuperStockers?  COmplete w/factory aluminum hood, bumpers, and plexiglass windows.
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« Reply #14 on: September 11, 2005, 06:09:23 PM »

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I went with my list because the cars were listed in quickest 1/4 mile times, which is the usual standard. Many cars car post quick 0-60 times but then fall on their face on the top end.   
 

Hi George,
Yes I agree with you about top end cause many times it depends on gearing.
However it was easier to find 0 to 60 MPH times on the internet and they are usually, but not always, an indicator of quarter mile times.

What I learned from my investigation astonished me. I am 57 and lived through the muscle car era. I drove a 58 souped up Chevy myself.
I was amazed to see that:
1. How much HP and how fast some of the new little 4 bangers are.
2. That modern muscle cars that have smaller displacements that put out much more horsepower. Modern small displacements make more HP than those of the sixties.

I read an article recently about a guy who made his modern Mustang generate 1500 HP! I bet he didn't do more than one or two runs down the quarter mile before he had to rebuild something!

I guess it boils down to Horsepower to weight ratio.
There is no place on my Mustang to put a Mag mount antenna.
Just can't stick!

Did ya see that Hummer listing? Almost 15 seconds for 0 to 50!
How much fun can that be to drive?
Granted my car is a little bumpy cause of the high performance suspension but it is fun to drive.

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« Reply #15 on: September 11, 2005, 07:29:08 PM »

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I went with my list because the cars were listed in quickest 1/4 mile times, which is the usual standard. Many cars car post quick 0-60 times but then fall on their face on the top end.   
 

Hi George,
Yes I agree with you about top end cause many times it depends on gearing.
However it was easier to find 0 to 60 MPH times on the internet and they are usually, but not always, an indicator of quarter mile times.

What I learned from my investigation astonished me. I am 57 and lived through the muscle car era. I drove a 58 souped up Chevy myself.
I was amazed to see that:
1. How much HP and how fast some of the new little 4 bangers are.
2. That modern muscle cars that have smaller displacements that put out much more horsepower. Modern small displacements make more HP than those of the sixties.

I read an article recently about a guy who made his modern Mustang generate 1500 HP! I bet he didn't do more than one or two runs down the quarter mile before he had to rebuild something!

I guess it boils down to Horsepower to weight ratio.
There is no place on my Mustang to put a Mag mount antenna.
Just can't stick!

Did ya see that Hummer listing? Almost 15 seconds for 0 to 50!
How much fun can that be to drive?
Granted my car is a little bumpy cause of the high performance suspension but it is fun to drive.

Regards
Q, W1QWT



Hi Bob. You had a 58 Chevy too?  When I was a kid, I had a 58 impala 2dr hardtop with a tri-power 348 and a 4speed. I had it two days and a guy in a falcon blew a stop sign here in town and T-boned me in  the drivers door. It totaled the Impala , and there wasn't much left of the Falcon .The driver  was hauled away in an ambulance.

Engine technology today is amazing. The little  4-bangers can be made to produce some serious horse power. And as you mentioned ,in  those light bodies the HP to weight ratio is impressive. But, I Don't thing I'll ever get used to seeing the slicks on the front.  This technology  also  applies to the old V-8s. Improvements in  cylinder head , combustion chamber,   cam shaft design . Stroker cranks , super hot ignitions,  And of course nitrous bottles. All make for amazing horse power numbers .

I think Ford , GM and Mopar offer high performance crate motors that you just bolt in and GOOOOOOOOO. Now  if you want something impressive to put in your old GM ride. No problem. GM will sell you the high performance crate motor you need. How about a 572 Cubic inch big block rated at 720 HP. with one carb on pump gas. How would you like to feed one of those with todays gas prices? http://www.powerblocktv.com/crate/crate.html#15

Or a 420 hp 351w  for your mustang? http://proformanceunlimited.com/specs/351_390dropAL.html

It takes a hummer 15 seconds to get to 60MPH?  Is that with the A/C on or off?

73, George
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« Reply #16 on: September 11, 2005, 08:37:16 PM »

There's a fellow I work with that has one of those 572 cid engines bolted on to his motor cycle. They're call Boss Hoggs. He's gone through two trannys with it, (first one ran him $10K!). The bolt a power glide and some kind of belt arrangement and away he goes.
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« Reply #17 on: September 11, 2005, 09:55:42 PM »

I agree with George's list but a buddy and I built a '66 Chevelle with an L88/
X ZL1 cam. 4:88 gear and 11 inch M&H Racemasters. 10s machine.
I tried to get a stock Hemi to race us one night and turned us down.
A few minutes earlier my mother was behind us and watched me pop the front wheels off the ground in all four gears. ( She didn't know it was me driving though)
The first real Cobera I saw was in Delamo mall one night outside Sears
in Torrance Ca. The most greased lightning car made in the USA with a metal body. Y block copied by Chevy in their latest V8 design.
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« Reply #18 on: September 12, 2005, 04:00:34 PM »

Holy S**T!!!!.... did the guy live through that?

Turn on your speakers and keep your eye on the 55 chevy in the left lane.

http://www.santoalt.com/videos/333_Drag_Race_Gone_Wrong.html
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« Reply #19 on: September 12, 2005, 08:33:21 PM »

There is something wrong with that list. A '70 Hemi Cuda was too nose heavy and a$$ light to make use of the available power. No way are they talking about street legal cars.
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« Reply #20 on: September 13, 2005, 08:58:44 AM »

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« Reply #21 on: September 13, 2005, 03:41:32 PM »

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« Reply #22 on: September 13, 2005, 04:19:48 PM »

Now does American Muscle cars only mean  those made in the 60's and 70's?
In my opinion they are still making muscle cars.
Chevy never stopped and neither did Ford. I think Dodge is in there too, who else?
So with that in mind I post the following for your consideration:
I did a comparison for some older and newer muscle cars. I can't guarantee the information from these web sites cause we all know that ya can't believe everything ya read on the internet.
OLD MUSCLE CARS
1966 AC Cobra 427  0 to 60 in 3.5 seconds
1968 Chevrolet Corvett L88  0 to 60 in 5.69 seconds
1969 Chevrolet Chevelle SS 396  0 to 60 in 5.71 seconds
1969 Dodge Super Bee 383   0 to 60 in 5.37 seconds
1969 Road Runner 0 to 60 in 5.1 seconds
1969 Chevrolet Camaro SS396  0 to 60 in 6.8 seconds
1967 427 Corvette 0 to 60 in 3.4 seconds
1970 Hemi Cuda 0 to 60 in 5.8 seconds

New Muscle Cars
2002 Chevrolet Corvette Z06  0 to 60 in 4.2 seconds
1985 Chevrolet Corvette  0 to 60 in 6.04 seconds
2000 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 Concept  0 to 60 in 2.7 seconds
1997 Dodge Viper GTS-r   0 to 60 in 2.9 seconds
1995 Ford GT-90   0 to 60 in 3.1 seconds
2005 Ford GT 550 hp  0 to 60 in 3.6 seconds
2002 Viper Hennessey Venom 1000TT 0 to 60 in 2.3 seconds

And the rediculus:
My 2002 Ford Mustang GT (not exactly stock) 0 to 60 in 5.1 seconds
2001 Hummer (AM General)  H1   0 to 60 in 14.8 seconds

Heck my car actually beats some of the muscle cars fro then and now! But they were stock.

Man that Viper Hennessey must be sumptin!
Best Regards
Q, W1QWT


Given those 0-60 times, the '65 GTO should be listed.  0-60 was 4.8, I think.  I may have the decimal wrong but I know it was sub 5.0.

And speaking of that, a question.  I lost interest after '66 when GM outlawed tri-power.  But the 68's and 69's remained very popular.  Were they as fast and as good?  IMHO, the '65 or maybe the '66 GTOs ruled, especially if styling counts.
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« Reply #23 on: September 13, 2005, 04:51:26 PM »

"IMHO, the '65 or maybe the '66 GTOs ruled, especially if styling counts."


Yep, the goats were classics. I owned two 1964 GTO's, my first car at 16 years old being one. MY OM musta been crazy letting me buy it, but I worked on a tobacco farm and part time jobs to pay. The first was a tripower.  The motor was beat when I got it so rebuilt it. Learned a lot, but it pushed a cloud of oil smoke afterwards. I kept adding STP goo to thicken it up and reduce the smoke until the motor seized in November. Sold it and bought a better '64 that lasted thru graduation.

Used to race anyone who would give it a go. I think the most memorable defeat was when a kid with a 66'? 428 State Police Intercepter dusted my ass in the quarter mile for $5.   I never heard the end of that from my high school buddies. In hindsight, I guess those 428's had some HP compared to the 389.  Cop cars weren't supposed to beat us...  Grin

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« Reply #24 on: September 17, 2005, 12:38:26 PM »

Just recently thought of another Pontiac that I remember being up there, but I can't remember the numbers.  While the GTO was major wood for me, the 2+2 was major major wood.  I'm really hazy about its 0-60, though.

The road test from MT...

http://www.pontiacserver.com/mt22_1.html

sez 8.1 but that's gotta be BS.  Our plain vanilla (and it was white) Catalina 400 did that.  Besides, MT's road test of that year's GTO

http://www.pontiacserver.com/mt65.html

sez it was only 7.2, but I know the R&T test had it under 5.0.  I think I remember that MT was always the conservative car mag.

And, thanks to this thread, something dawned on me that I hadn't ever realized.  It was while John Z. was hatching the GTO that Lee Alan ruled the radio waves.  Gawd, living inside all that while such a callow teeny-bopper must've really left a mark.

 Grin

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