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« on: February 03, 2021, 10:57:32 PM »

I see where there are 50 Ohm high power (500 W and more) that look like thick film hybrid microcircuits.  has anybody had direct experience with these and can cast light on heat sink requirements  Cool
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« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2021, 04:31:23 AM »

I have used them. They are used as deceleration load in DC motor drives. They are in special drives and robots. I just put heat grease on them and sink them to a cabinet or heat sink. I use them for step start resistors aka soft start. If you look at picture there is one mounted to the bottom of cabinet to the right of the transformer.

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« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2021, 03:22:58 PM »

7kv supply at 18kva.  That's a decent supply 😂🤔

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« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2021, 07:05:20 PM »

Yeah it runs my SB220 There are three things you can never have to much of. Money, horsepower, and KVA.

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« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2021, 10:46:31 PM »

I feel ya.  I recently acquired an 50kva xformer.

Didn't mean to, but when they fall in your lap....

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« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2021, 09:14:37 AM »

I feel ya.  I recently acquired an 50kva xformer.

Didn't mean to, but when they fall in your lap....

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« Reply #6 on: February 07, 2021, 04:06:38 AM »

I feel ya.  I recently acquired an 50kva xformer.

Didn't mean to, but when they fall in your lap....

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You do.  This thing is a best, weight in the hundreds of pounds.  Like, heavy enough to snap a U Haul fridge dolly.  U Haul said they never heard of one breaking...  Haha.

208/240 in and 5.4 + 7kv outputs. Was used for a single 4cx15k originally in broadcast service.

I'm guessing it will hold up to a 4-1000 😂 if I ever build a supply around it.

Moved most of the shop today.  Ugghhh, I forgot how much iron I have.  I still have a 6.2kv 3A supply to grab and a plethora of stuff people brought in for repair.  Again, ugggghh.  Two freestanding crankups got moved today, as well.  37 and 52 footers.  I swore I would put them in the air after moving them this time.

One more round trip and it's time to sort things aat the new digs. 

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« Reply #7 on: February 07, 2021, 01:12:23 PM »

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I am nut in any wray criticizin anynone who mey have a 50KVA transfermer "fall into their lips" but I ask at what point do we say no to big irons? Is the line off no return two sanity at 1000 KVA? I tuned down a 15000 pound oil filled Westinglouse plated transformer that was manufactured on 1948 because of PCBS's that must have been in it, otherwice I might have taken it to my remoted ham shacker in the mountains of NYS’s? I'm nearly and I'm still collecting parts for that big rig and I cannot be stoped? I feel like Scrooge MCDuck but instead of having a loom filled with coin & cash, I have biger irons etc?   


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« Reply #8 on: February 08, 2021, 11:05:06 AM »

I see where there are 50 Ohm high power (500 W and more) that look like thick film hybrid microcircuits.  has anybody had direct experience with these and can cast light on heat sink requirements  Cool

Yes.

The heatsink requirements will be exactly the same as heatsinks for semiconductors.
If you get the downloaded catalog from a heatsink mfr, like Wakefield, they will have
a complete section with the equations and examples, graphs, of the thermal considerations
for heatsinks. Probably on some websites as calculators and pdfs these days.

I can say from experience, IF you have a small surface area that is supposed to dissipate
a continuous amount of heat - in this case 500 watts - you will need a very low
thermal resistance pathway. Probably natural convection will be insufficient, even with
a very large heatsink - although one would have to run the numbers, and maybe try
a prototype test.

In general, you can take away from the solid state linear guys that you will want a
"copper spreader" between the device and the aluminum heatsink. Flatness counts too.
The copper spreader does just that, with higher thermal conductivity than aluminum, it
serves as a way to make the effective surface area of the device being cooled larger,
so the heatsink works closer to ideal.

The good news is that a reasonably small flow of air is surprisingly more effective than
natural convection. Also natural convection works only if the heatsink fins are properly
oriented and of proper height and spacing. Some heatsinks are actually designed to be
"blown" and do not work as well as one might imagine just looking at them.

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