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Author Topic: Crystal element kit for D-104 Microphone at www.rbmicro.com  (Read 6826 times)
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« on: March 14, 2015, 02:11:26 PM »

I found a crystal element rebuild kit for the D-104 microphone at the Northland Drifter's site.  Go to this web address to see the order info.  http://www.rbmicro.com/
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« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2015, 06:14:58 PM »

http://amfone.net/Amforum/index.php?topic=36168.0

Reports vary from crummy to just great. I've tried them and my report = crummy.

For bandwidth limited transmitters they might just be ok.

Some folks have not experienced a D-104 in good condition and properly terminated.

If you look online long enough you can find somebody who likes just about anything.......
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« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2015, 07:38:39 PM »

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Reports vary from crummy to just great. I've tried them and my report = crummy.
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Those elements are HORRID Sounding!
It was a complete waste of my money.

The sound was so bad, it prompted me to open the original non-working D-104 Crystal Element to see why it quit producing audio.
The "anvil" which connects the metal diaphragm to the Rochelle Salt Crystal had lost its adhesion.
I was able to re-attach the "anvil" back onto the crystal and re-assemble the metal diaphragm.
I am using it to this day and it sounds just marvelous.
Of course I have it terminated correctly to give the Crystal Element the high impedance it needs for the correct low end response.
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« Reply #3 on: March 14, 2015, 08:19:58 PM »

patience and perseverance
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« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2015, 10:01:17 PM »

It would be interesting if someone could do a test of all the various purported D104 replacement cartridges offered.  I recall trying out a couple elements several years ago with lousy results.  Some of these elements are expensive too. 

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« Reply #5 on: March 15, 2015, 12:36:15 AM »

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Reports vary from crummy to just great. I've tried them and my report = crummy.
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Those elements are HORRID Sounding!
It was a complete waste of my money.

The sound was so bad, it prompted me to open the original non-working D-104 Crystal Element to see why it quit producing audio.
The "anvil" which connects the metal diaphragm to the Rochelle Salt Crystal had lost its adhesion.
I was able to re-attach the "anvil" back onto the crystal and re-assemble the metal diaphragm.
I am using it to this day and it sounds just marvelous.
Of course I have it terminated correctly to give the Crystal Element the high impedance it needs for the correct low end response.
Take Care,


Can you enlighten us how you performed the surgery, type of glue and how you terminated it for the low end response? Thanks and 73 de k7iou
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« Reply #6 on: March 15, 2015, 05:12:27 AM »

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Can you enlighten us how you performed the surgery, type of glue and how you terminated it for the low end response? Thanks and 73 de k7iou

The Metal Diaphragm can be removed by melting the tar in the center thereby releasing the "anvil" from the diaphragm. The outer circumference of the diaphragm is then detached from the plastic housing by carefully slipping the sharp point/edge of a scalpel in between them. The adhesive on mine was brittle due to age, and by carefully using a prying/slicing action the separation was completed. Damage was minimal and could be compensated for by using silicone upon re-attachment.

The Rachelle Salt Crystal is located on 2ea pads "glued" to the plastic housing at opposing corners of the crystal via some kind of tar. The "anvil" was then attached to the opposite opposing corners of the crystal using what looked like some kind of acrylic enamel. It was detached in my element, so I reattached the "anvil" using some red nail polish making sure that the bottom hooks of the "anvil" or the adhesive did not touch the plastic housing. You must also make sure that the top tab on the "anvil" will be located in the center hole of the metal diaphragm when re-attached.

Once the nail polish has set and dried, the metal diaphragm can then be prepared for re-attachment by applying a thin coating of silicone adhesive around the circumference. Re-attach the diaphragm to the plastic housing while centering the tab of the anvil into the center hole of the diaphragm making sure it does not touch. This will keep from applying any type of side load on the crystal. Press around the circumference of the diaphragm to seat the silicone being mindful of the center hole & tab. Allow to fully cure.

Once the silicone is fully cured, you can then remelt the tar in the center thereby reattaching the anvil to the metal diaphragm.

For the impedance matching in my application, I am using a Jfet circuit to match the high impedance crystal element to a low impedance mic amplifier circuit in a rice box. There is much information available on this subject and I won't go into it here. You can build it yourself, or you can buy one. I chose to buy one already on a circuit board due to ease of installation, it was inexpensive, it can be easily removed/bypassed to use the mic in other applications.

The design I am using was created by Paul, W9AC and in my opinion is very good to say the least.
http://www.qrz.com/db/W9AC
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Astatic-D104-High-Performance-FET-Amplifier-/231424130918?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35e1f3ff66

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« Reply #7 on: March 15, 2015, 05:13:07 PM »

Thanks Mike for your detailed response & education.

Unfortunately my MC-321 was in an old microphone that I bought & someone had separated the insulation & crushed the cone breaking the crystal. Guess I could try growing my own.  Cry

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« Reply #8 on: March 15, 2015, 06:03:00 PM »

Found this on Astatic Microphones.
http://www.west-techservices.com/p15.htm
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