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« on: November 18, 2008, 01:52:54 AM »

I'm not likely to get my hands on this, it is already owned by the guy that spotted it.. very sleek!


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« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2008, 03:04:28 AM »

Do you know what model that one is?
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« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2008, 07:52:59 AM »

Interesting style. I've never seen one like it. If it's a Gates it is missing the normal GATES banner. Judging by the art decco pinstripe, meter style and plastic knobs it could be early 40's. Was Gates in business than?

I hope it gets restored and put back in use instead of bounced through the eBay meat grinder.

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« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2008, 08:31:37 AM »

hmmmm ... a little rework on the mod, set of speakers in the bottom and an Ipod dock and it could  second as a jukebox ...dance wit the meters ! ...beefus
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« Reply #4 on: November 18, 2008, 08:35:10 AM »

Nice find. Someone is very lucky!

interesting to note how people used to try to make things look good even though they might have been something that wouldn't normally be seen.  The pin striping on the cabinet is neat.  I wonder if it was a commercial job of if someone refinished it later on...
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« Reply #5 on: November 18, 2008, 08:50:51 AM »

Patrick,

Are the front panels painted steel or some other material? It looks like the viewing panel opens and is also meant to shield RF (just a guess). Is this transmitter close to you? Maybe you could post some porn later.

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« Reply #6 on: November 18, 2008, 09:33:30 AM »

Very nice design. Gates may have been trying to out-do the Collins 300G.
I guess folks avoid the 250 watters because of the enormous size, and the 'low 250 watt power', but they are well worth the effort. Usually a better sounding TX than a 1kw box and able to easily modulate, with ease, the carrier for that full AM sound!!

No one is going to notice any difference in S meter reading between 250 watts and 375. Maybe a KW tansmitter running at half power.
The antenna is the next link to start the STRAPPING process.

I love my RA250.

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« Reply #7 on: November 18, 2008, 11:31:48 AM »

Looks like a 1939 250 C         http://www.oldradio.com/archives/hardware/Gates/250-C.pdf
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« Reply #8 on: November 18, 2008, 11:48:17 AM »

...it could be early 40's. Was Gates in business then?

Yes.

I have a Gates broadcast limiter, a rack-panel job with black wrinkle finish, that was made in late 30's or early 40's, definitely pre-WW2. It was given to me by a station engineer back in the early 70s'.

It uses an interesting form of compression, employing the thermal characteristics of incandescent pilot lamps wired in a resistive bridge circuit.  It also has a stage of  standard a.g.c. type limiting.  The active stages are push-pull throughout.  The sparse literature I have with it claims that it will increase the effective power of a broadcast station by "3 dB's".

But the Gates engineers got it backwards.  The a.g.c. limiting stage precedes the light bulb bridge. 

The bulb circuit is useful for maintaining the average audio to a certain level, but it inherently has a slow attack and release time.  The a.g.c. circuit can be set to a fast attack time to limit peaks.

Gates should have designed it so that the bulb circuit averaged out the audio  level first, and then fed it to the a.g.c. stage to chop off any excessive peaks.

This unit has four high quality push-pull audio input and output transformers, and I have often been tempted to part it out to salvage those transformers, but it is probably a rare historic piece, so I have left it intact.  I tried it out once, but it had considerable distortion.  Re-conditioning it is on my one-of-these-days list.
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« Reply #9 on: November 18, 2008, 05:32:11 PM »

It is a real beauty! I thought about looking at Barry's site this morning Lou to see if he had anything but I didn't have time, I had to hit the road. Good on ya for posting the lit here.

What really amazes me is how long this has made it without being scrapped. From the lit it would seem that a broadcast transmitter in those days was something people wanted to see. This one has class. I hope to see more.

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« Reply #10 on: November 20, 2008, 12:35:49 PM »

No one is going to notice any difference in S meter reading between 250 watts and 375.

Spoken, like a good boy scout.
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« Reply #11 on: November 21, 2008, 07:59:49 AM »

I want to go shopping at Patricks sto' ....beefus
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« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2008, 10:39:01 PM »

There's this guy. He contacted me after seeing pictures of the "hoard" I posted belonging to another guy I know (the junk farm hoard), and he wanted to talk to him about it.. It turns out he himself has a gigantic hoard said to be measured in many many thousands of square feet. A hoard such as never seen before. I've seen pictures of the Vortex and I understand it is in a house. This hoard of the guy who has that Gates, based on square feet of floor you can't see any more, could engulf it.

Few know about it. Few have seen it. I never have... Maybe some day. The Gates 250-C is his. A neighbor was moving and didn't want to move it. It's strange about hoards, those that have them don't like to tell.. Another guy from the internet contacted me ahd told me of several huge warehouses stacked to the ceiling -solid. So they are out there..
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