If you think our bureaucracy can be daunting...

[k4kyv]

French amateurs have yet to be granted access to 7100-7200 kHz.  Here's the response to the inquiry submitted by Betty Magnin, President of the REF (French counterpart to ARRL, RSGB, RAC, etc.).

From: ERPELDING Florence
Sent: vendredi, 28. août 2009 15:52
To: Betty Magnin
Subject: RE: Modification du TNRBF



Hello,

The opening of the 7100-7200 kHz band to the amateur service was approved at the CPF on March 11, 2009 (change of affectataire CSA ARCEP). Following the publication of the decree of June 25, 2009 amending the national allocation table of frequency bands, ARCEP has prepared a draft decision amending Decision No 2008-0841 dated July 24, 2008. The draft decision will be presented at the next Advisory Committee on Electronic Communications (October 19 or November 9, the date to be determined). The conditions of use specified in the decision will be subject to approval by the Minister in charge of electronic communications, before the decision can be published in the Official Journal.

Sincerely,

Florence Erpelding

Regulatory Authority,
Electronic Communications and Postal Department regulation for operators and scarce resources frequencies
Unit 7
Square Max Hymans
75730 PARIS
CEDEX 15

[Ed-VA3ES]

I'm somewhat of a student of French politics, actually Fench political culture.  The French love their bureaucracy!   In fact they almost worship it.   They also worship political authority, especially in the areas of education and administration.   When French corporations send their staff to the U.S. or Canada, they almost have to retrain them to work in a North American environment.  Very perverse.  Due to Cartesian logic  and training, the French don't think like you or I.    Quebecois are similar, but nowhere as bad.   Quebecois are North Americanized, but are still get their "formation" in the Cartesian way.    Cartesian thinking leads to cutural arrogance.

[Bill, KD0HG]

In other words, the French value thinking about it and we value doing something more than thinking about it?

I learned something today.

[W9GT]

  Cartesian thinking leads to cutural arrogance.

Hmm.......Does that mean every position on any issue has X and Y coordinates?

73,  Jack, W9GT

[WQ9E]

Jack,

Modern bureaucracy also requires that we upgrade to and include the Z axis to avoid any chance of a practical and efficient solution.  I have a beautiful trail of emails from the simple attempt to help a student gain permission to do an independent study while spending a semester in Germany. 

 

[ka3zlr]

3 Axis is Shafting Included..?...

[k4kyv]

I'm somewhat of a student of French politics, actually Fench political culture.  The French love their bureaucracy!   In fact they almost worship it.   They also worship political authority, especially in the areas of education and administration. 

And they love to complain about it, even more so than we do here in the US.

But there is one big difference.  When they pass a certain point of frustration, French people love to take to the streets and protest.  Americans, OTOH, tend more to just grumble as they grab another Bud Lite, turn on the TV and watch American Idol, reality TV or the latest news about Britney and Paris.

Back to the topic regarding 40m in France. Remember we faced a nearly identical situation when the phone bands were expanded and the US 80m sub-sub band was extended down to 3600.  The new allocations could not go into effect until 30 days after the notice was published in the Federal Register, and it took several weeks for the notice to appear in publication, so we had to wait over two months after the FCC made the final decision, IIRC.

Also, when LORAN was removed from the 160m band, the FCC drug its feet on  fully restoring the band to amateurs.  The took no action at all until the ARRL and others submitted rulemaking petitions.

BTW, the 160m band was never fully restored to amateurs.  For many years before WW2, the band ran from 1715 to 2000 kHz, and just before Pearl Harbor, it was shifted to 1750-2050, a full 300 kHz!

But at least we didn't have to wait over a year for 40m. French amateurs may not get their additional privileges until 2010, and it could be even later.

[Ed-VA3ES]

The French are process oriented while we are goal oriented.

[...] Every time I came up with a solution he wasn’t satisfied. It was like he wanted me to work and continue with the project, but he really didn’t want me to ever finish it.
[...]
They are a very strange bureaucratic and socialistic people that’s for sure.

[ka3zlr]

The last time I was there and it was awhile ago as well, I at times couldn't differentiate if the French had a problem with Amerika, or Ameri-cons.....it was unnerving...They Stare Alot...

73
Jack.
 

[W3SLK]

Last time I was there, I couldn't buy a beer. They seemed to fall 'assovertincups' to buy me beer! 

[Bill, KD0HG]

The French are process oriented while we are goal oriented.

That might make American-French dating a problem.

[Opcom]

I'm somewhat of a student of French politics, actually Fench political culture.  The French love their bureaucracy!   In fact they almost worship it.   They also worship political authority, especially in the areas of education and administration.   When French corporations send their staff to the U.S. or Canada, they almost have to retrain them to work in a North American environment.  Very perverse.  Due to Cartesian logic  and training, the French don't think like you or I.    Quebecois are similar, but nowhere as bad.   Quebecois are North Americanized, but are still get their "formation" in the Cartesian way.    Cartesian thinking leads to cutural arrogance.

in other words, you have alot of discussion and planning and meetings and more discussion and planning and meetings... The French work diligently and efficiently, but the beaurocratic nature of the way they work can cause crossculture differences of opinion when for example it's hitting the fan in the US and you need your French colleagues to make a quick decision. On the other hand, they can consider the way we do business here to be abrupt and even impolite.

[Ed-VA3ES]

I'm somewhat of a student of French politics, actually Fench political culture.  The French love their bureaucracy!   In fact they almost worship it.   They also worship political authority, especially in the areas of education and administration.   When French corporations send their staff to the U.S. or Canada, they almost have to retrain them to work in a North American environment.  Very perverse.  Due to Cartesian logic  and training, the French don't think like you or I.    Quebecois are similar, but nowhere as bad.   Quebecois are North Americanized, but are still get their "formation" in the Cartesian way.    Cartesian thinking leads to cutural arrogance.

   in other words, you have alot of discussion and planning and meetings and more discussion and planning and meetings... The French work diligently and efficiently, but the beaurocratic nature of the way they work can cause crossculture differences of opinion when for example it's hitting the fan in the US and you need your French colleagues to make a quick decision. On the other hand, they can consider the way we do business here to be abrupt and even impolite.

That is precisely the case!

[WU2D]

The French are process oriented while we are goal oriented.

Actually we are no longer Goal Oriented - currently we are "Risk Averse".

[...] Every time I came up with a solution he wasn’t satisfied. It was like he wanted me to work and continue with the project, but he really didn’t want me to ever finish it.
[...]
They are a very strange bureaucratic and socialistic people that’s for sure.