There is Hope in Computers

[flintstone mop]

Happy New Year my Friends
I found out from my cable company that many people are not happy with IE 7. It's slow and you can't click on anything until THAT particular page loads, THEN you can click and move along.
They said to go to the control panel and remove MS IE 7 and the computer will go back to IE 6. Now during UPDATE time you will be asked to "upgrade" to IE 7. We know what the answer is to that one.
Fred

[W3RSW]

Well that explains a lot;  notice that IE7 takes 170 megs of space to.  What hUzman said notwithstanding , bloated code regardless of computer speed and scads of cheap memory is still bloated code.  Jeeze PFS write did just about all I wanted on a 500khz Apple in 1983 as musoft Write does now in 2008.  Yeah, Fred, Steve, guess I don't want much, heh, heh.  I'm just mad that 6502 assembler is not longer the code of choice; couldn't keep up with stuff like Apple selling out to Intel for processors either.  My sister in law got an iMac for Xmas, 20" screen, etc. Very fast and very happy with that.  If'n I didn't need this uSoft crap for Sue's r.e. biz software, I'd get a Mac too.

Think I'll try converting back to IE6 for awhile.  MsSoft wants you to read ALL the ads on the page; and I thought the slowness was 'cause of my wifi link.  Even put a aluminum foil parabolic reflector about 4 or 5 in. behind my 2.4Ghz antenna directed towards the basement.  Got at least 3db out of that trick, almost as much as putting the downstairs computer on its side so the PCMIA card was vertically polarized.  Looks a lot better than a box sticking up in the air with cables coming out the side up here.

Flip em if you got em...
Ricky the wonder antenna man.( I shoud really experiment more with element spacing, ext. ant. connection modifications to cheap router boxes, etc. Looks very productive. )

[KF1Z]

I use IE 7... I haven't noticed that problem...

I'm on super-slow dialup... so everything is slow anyway..

But I don't have to wait for a page to load to click a link...
As soon as the link is there... I can use it.

I wonder if that's a side effect of using the high-speed cable?
Only in that the info is sent in different packets etc....

[WQ9E]

I made the transition to Mozilla Firefox a few months ago and I have been completely happy, much faster than either IE6 or 7 and the Ad Blocker add in does a great job.  The only thing IE does on my computer now is run the DJVU client for some of the Bama manuals.  No matter what I did with IE I always had some issues using the BAMA site but Firefox has been flawless there also.  Of course Firefox is also free.

Rodger WQ9E

[WQ9E]

Hi Mack,

That makes sense and I tend to use the edebris mirror site mostly anyway.   I also should add that I am not a Microsoft basher and I have been very happy with their operating systems and most of the applications software.  Furthermore, some consulting work I did for them has allowed me to purchase a lot of vintage gear so I sort of have to thank "Uncle Bill" every time I fire up the Viking 500 or Desk KW 

Rodger WQ9E

[flintstone mop]

I noticed a little inconvenience dropping IE 7. You cannot open multiple "folders" to go to other websites and keep them all on one screen. You have to go back to the old way of opening multiple "explorers" and keep put them in the tray.

Fred

[K4QE]

Fred,

What you are referring to as "folders" are called "tabs".  This is a standard feature in all late model browsers.

You can add this functionality to IE6 by installing the MSN Toolbar.  Not sure if there are other toolbars (Yahoo, Google, etc.) that will do the same, but it's worth looking into if you stay with IE6.

BTW, Opera should also be considered when looking at alternative browsers.

[W4RON]

Dump that IE crap, you don't need it.
Mozilla Firefox and Thunderbird work perfectly,
NO SPAM, NO Popup Ads, and they're FREE.
BAMA works just with mine.

73, Ron W4RON

[k4kyv]

I have been using Firefox for several years now.  I discovered it back when someone on this site linked to a 6L6 tube website, but whenever I clicked on the link or typed in the address I got redirected to some junk site that promised to pay me money for taking online polls.  I did a google search on the bogus site and found many complaints that they were hijacking other websites as well.  I tried everything, including anti-spyware, anti-adware and registry cleaners to get rid of the problem, but to no avail.  Even had John, WA5BXO help me with the problem, but we never could correct it.  So I tried Firefox, and it took me to the  legitimate site right away, no problems.  I moved my bookmarks folder to Firefox and have only rarely used IE since, since some web pages are  designed not to work with FF.

I did install IE7.  My wife uses it, but we have had no particular problems with it that didn't already exist with IE6.  She likes the tabbed browsing feature, but I can't get her to change to FF, because her computer at work uses IE and for some reason she doen't want to use one browser at work and another at home.

One problem I have with FF is the infamous "memory  leak".  It gobbles up more and more available physical memory as you browse.  I use a makeshift fix to the problem; I changed a setting (would have to look the whole thing up again - I forget the details), so that you can clear the unneeded memory usage by minimising FF and then immediately maximising it again.  Supposedly Mozilla is working on the problem, but I have been hearing that ever since I installed FF.  With the JS fix, it is no longer a real problem; on one of those very rare occasions that I run out of memory, I just minimise FF for an instant and the needed memory is freed up, or if I am not using FF, I just close it.

My machine has WinXP and 512 mb of ram. I wanted to upgrade to 1 gb of ram by dropping two more memory sticks into the blank slots, but I couldn't find compatible chips.  After checking with the manufacturer and aftermarket sources, I keep getting the message that the memory sticks in my machine are no longer manufactured and no-one has any available.  Maybe I'll be able to find some good used ones some day, since this computer is about 5 years old and many like it are undoubtedly already going to the landfill or recycler about now.  It still works perfectly so I see no reason to replace it.

[Pete, WA2CWA]

Fred:
I'm on cable and also use IE 7 and Firefox. I have no problem with speed using IE7. Actually, using a stopwatch (crude but what the heck), IE 7 actually loads faster then Firefox. Firefox and IE are not 100% compatible. There are many sites out there written with Microsoft Frontpage, and similar web designers, that will look different, and sometimes even work different, when accessed with Firefox.

Likewise, even on this site, there is the notation: "Best Viewed with FireFox". My original web site, that my son put together with Frontpage back in 1999, works fine for viewing on the customer side with Firefox, even though the font type and font size are different, but I run into a lot of problems when I access the site on the administrated side and try to do updates, corrections, or additions. Using IE doesn't give me any of these problems.

So, for me, both Firefox and IE will remain an active part of my PC's.

[W1RKW]

I concur with Don.  I don't understand why everyone tortures themselves and their PC's with IE.  IE uses so much overhead (and resources).  I've never liked IE and never will.  I always used Mozilla browsers.  They're far more efficient plus they're open source so you can tweak them to your own needs.  Though I agree with Pete, there are websites that require the use of IE unfortunately, but they're few and far between. 

[K6JEK]

IE is dead to me.   I've been a Firefox user on Macs and PCs since it became vialble. Why go back?   

Jon "been killing time browsing the web since before Netscape" K

[Steve - WB3HUZ]

Just use Lynx and your problems will go away.

[KF1Z]

Most of people's computer problems are in their own mind.....\

Meaning that a lot of people expect the machine to "know" what it is they want...
Or act they way they think it ought to.


I learned very early (before Junior HS) that In order for a computer to do what you want...you have to tell it what it is you want it to do.

95% (or more I bet) of computer users these days, rely on other people's conception of how a computer should act.
So, if you're one of those people, and the software doesn't act the way you think it should... dump it, and find some that does.

In most cases, if you can't write your own software, your only other option is to accept that there are certain limitations, and live with it.

[KA1HNH]

I hate all forms of IE, current and past. Nothing but bloat-ware. At work I was told that the "IT" department would only support IE and no other browsers. In fact my use of Mozilla was blamed on any problems that I had with "their" computer. Hmm seems my 4 machines at home work just fine with all incarnations of Mozilla. I'm currently using SeaMonkey, a full-blown version of Mozilla. I like the email and newsgroup functions. Anybody else use it??? 


Happy new year to all.....Only 1807 days remaining till the apocalypse.

[N5RLR]

I've been considering Thunderbird.  Does it work with IMAP servers as does Outlook?
 

...Only 1807 days remaining till the apocalypse.

Did the Mayans mention in what time zone The End Of The World is supposed to begin?

[Steve - WB3HUZ]

Yes, but not like Outlook. Better.

I've been considering Thunderbird.  Does it work with IMAP servers as does Outlook?
 

[W1ATR]

I've been using FF for quite some time now and see no need for IE of any version at all. I use a couple of add-ons like FasterFox which really gets the surfing hummin along. (amfone loads in less than a second, almost instantly). I also use No-Script to block all the java crap that slows down web page loading. It's pretty versatile in which I can right click the icon to allow certain parts of a page and block off others.

I have a question however. Now that I'm all settled in with FF, can I remove IE all together from XPpro? I was reading somewhere that IE has so much crap embedded throughout windows, that deleting it would raise up other problems with functionality. 

[KB2WIG]

  ' I've been considering Thunderbird "

I've been told that Night Train is better .... ..               

  klc

[KA1HNH]

Did the Mayans mention in what time zone The End Of The World is supposed to begin?

0000 Zulu Las Vegas Time. When the invading space aliens come to conquer, Vegas just like the Canadians should be eaten first.

[Jim, W5JO]

Fred this thread has wandered a bit but have you emptied your browser history and Temporary Internet Files?  These things can really grow and cause slow down on IE, same on FF. 

To do so, in the upper right of IE click on tools.  The first choice is delete browser history, click on that.  Then choose all you wish to delete and you will have several choices, TIF, Browser History, Cookies, and Password fill.  The worst one is TIF then the second is history.  If you will keep those files clean, IE works very well.

Modification:  I forgot to mention the syndication thing for ads also slow things down a bit, but there is nothing you can do about that.  If the TIF files are large IE will look to see what has to be changed and that causes some trouble.

[KF1Z]

No, No, No! You've got it all wrong. Planet X comes zooming by Earth so close that the magnetic poles reverse and the whole planet rotates, N pole becomes the S pole. Everybody knows that.

yeah.... except that was going to happen in 2006....