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hi Guys, Anybody have specs on an 8005 tube. Can a 811 be put in its place?
We have an old 200w mac audio amp with a pair and one phase is clipping. Might be a soft tube.
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« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2006, 11:29:43 AM » |
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hi Guys, Anybody have specs on an 8005 tube. Can a 811 be put in its place?
We have an old 200w mac audio amp with a pair and one phase is clipping. Might be a soft tube.
No can't just pop the 811 in there, 8005 has 10v, 3.25a filiament, it also not a zero bias type like the 811, takes about -70v for class b. Has about double plate dissapation of 811a, 85 watts.. 73, Chuck |
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« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2006, 11:33:11 AM » |
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TNX Chuck. Our tech found one tube not lit so he removed it and reinstalled it.
It lit right up. A good reason for clipping. We do need to find a couple spares though.
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« Reply #3 on: November 17, 2006, 12:06:41 PM » |
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TNX Chuck. Our tech found one tube not lit so he removed it and reinstalled it.
It lit right up. A good reason for clipping. We do need to find a couple spares though.
Rottz o ruck, Frank! They are made of unobtanium. they are really tough to find and usually rather spensive when found. You would be better off to rewire the amp to use 811's or 812's if you dont need full scrote operation. I have an old-buzzard 6' rack transmitter that used them. It took me a couple of years to find a spare pair without having to cut off the left one. the Slab Bacon |
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« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2006, 12:39:34 PM » |
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Yup I see web prices around $130 each.
This is an old MAC amp we use to inject audio on power leads to see if we can shut things down. A pair of them would make a nice stereo.
Sounds like a job for a pair of 572Bs if we have to modify it. fc
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« Reply #5 on: November 17, 2006, 12:49:46 PM » |
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Yup I see web prices around $130 each.
This is an old MAC amp we use to inject audio on power leads to see if we can shut things down. A pair of them would make a nice stereo.
Sounds like a job for a pair of 572Bs if we have to modify it. fc
A pair of 572Bs should be able to inject pickled eggplant into the power leads! |
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« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2006, 12:51:11 PM » |
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But onto the more serious side, I know that K4KYV also has an 8005 rig, he may have a stash of spares..................................
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« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2006, 01:23:52 PM » |
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Yup I see web prices around $130 each.
This is an old MAC amp we use to inject audio on power leads to see if we can shut things down. A pair of them would make a nice stereo.
Sounds like a job for a pair of 572Bs if we have to modify it. fc
We? Who we be? Shut what things down?? And why would audio on power leads shut anything down?? When "we" get tired of that amp, "we" here are interested in it... please keep that in mind... Btw those 8005s got shiny nickel plates?? _-_-WBear2GCR |
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« Reply #8 on: November 17, 2006, 01:51:33 PM » |
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Switch mode power supplies sometimes don't like weird stuff on the powerline. And sometimes analog supplies can pass stuff thru as well.
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« Reply #9 on: November 17, 2006, 02:34:43 PM » |
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we be work, no ham fodder will be wasted here.
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« Reply #10 on: November 17, 2006, 03:26:19 PM » |
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An 812H would be perfect. Just change out the filament voltage to 7.5.
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« Reply #11 on: November 17, 2006, 05:28:11 PM » |
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Gee Huz,
This mac amp in in a small rack with plenty of room inside. I could just mount a variac in the fil transformer primary and tune it to the voltage we want to use. Many people would like to take this amp home when it dies. tnx for the ideas guys.
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« Reply #12 on: November 17, 2006, 06:31:13 PM » |
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Correction, make the fil voltage 6.3 for the 812H.
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« Reply #13 on: November 17, 2006, 06:31:47 PM » |
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Hi Frank,
The amp in question here is probably a Macintosh MI-200; the vintage tube audio guys in Japan, Korea, etc., would pay a small fortune for that amp!!! I have a friend who has two of them for his home stereo; they are massive amplifiers that will deliver 200 watts of effortless triode power.
BTW, I think that amp runs the 8005s in class B operation, but I'm not entirely sure of this. I was never too hot for class B tube amplifier operation for home audio applications, but it works for me with a pair of 833As for use in a modulator in a BC or ham rig.
Best Regards,
Bruce, W2XR
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« Reply #14 on: November 17, 2006, 06:35:06 PM » |
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The amp in question here is probably a Macintosh MI-200 Saw one at a hamfest about 15 years ago. Nice amp. |
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« Reply #15 on: November 17, 2006, 08:21:06 PM » |
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I use a pair of 8005s in pushpull in the rf final of one of my homebrew transmitters, but don't want to part with any of my spares. I lost one a few months ago when I was working on the transmitter. It slipped out of my hand and dropped about one foot onto carpeted floor, but the filament wouldn't light afterwards. I was hyellowfied! I have one other spare with an intermittent short between filament and grid. I have never thrown it away, in case I can maybe get it to work in a pinch. Have 3 good spares left.
One thing I like about those tubes is that they will draw gobs of plate current. Seem to have loads of reserve emission.
Unfortunately, they have become a hot audiophool item.
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« Reply #16 on: November 17, 2006, 10:19:40 PM » |
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Don,
I would never think of taking ham fodder out of action. We will limp along until it dies again then panic.
Corp. America MO. I found a couple on the net for $130.
I think it is a mi200. It is in about a 24 inch rack on casters. The transformers look pretty big.
It has a number of output taps. One plate looks like it has ran hot the other looks ok. When the problem was reported I suggested they swap tubes to see if the clipping changes sides. this is when we they found a tube dark.
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« Reply #17 on: November 18, 2006, 12:28:30 AM » |
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I once read somewhere where RCA recommended the 8005 as a replacement for the 203A. Perhaps this could be reversed; if someone has a supply of 203A's on hand, they could use them to replace the 8005's. The filament voltage/current is the same. The sockets are different and instead of a plate cap, the plate lead comes out the socket at the bottom of the 203A.
Even though they are very similar in electrical characteristics and physical appearance (it's just a matter of amplification factor), 203A's have never caught on with the audiophool community to the extent 211/VT4C's have.
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« Reply #18 on: November 18, 2006, 10:04:18 AM » |
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TNX for the ideas. I have become the go to guy when it comes to HV and QRO having fixed two amps in the heat of qualification testing. Good to have ideas in the bag of tricks. Tubes are way too magic for these wipper snappers.
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« Reply #19 on: November 18, 2006, 12:16:56 PM » |
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The amp in question here is probably a Macintosh MI-200; the vintage tube audio guys in Japan, Korea, etc., would pay a small fortune for that amp!!! I have a friend who has two of them for his home stereo; they are massive amplifiers that will deliver 200 watts of effortless triode power.
Bruce, W2XR
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« Reply #20 on: November 18, 2006, 06:42:55 PM » |
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Other than the McIntosh MI-200 I am unaware of any other amp that used them!
So, I doubt that Japan has snapped them up in particular.
Also, I have yet to see a project/website/article on an audio amp that uses the 8005.
Don't think they actually made all that many of them - probably a few orders of magnitude less than something like an 811, and another order or two less than the 807...
Besides, I don't think they're such a wonderful tube compared to some others.
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« Reply #21 on: November 18, 2006, 06:46:33 PM » |
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Generally, tubes with plate caps aren't favored by the tubeophiles, especially with plate voltages of 1500 and up.
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« Reply #22 on: November 18, 2006, 07:59:37 PM » |
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the audio fools who have plate caps die off quickly because they need to feel the love and contact " Ready Kilowatt"
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« Reply #23 on: November 19, 2006, 01:11:09 AM » |
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8005s were designed and marketed by RCA for ham use. They never seemed to catch on and they were pricier than their smaller counterparts (811s). I dont think they ever really got popular. I also dont think the military ever used them, hence no slurpuss ones to flood the market. I'm too cheap to pay $130 for them, henceforth, it took me a loooonnnnggggg time to find a spare pair for the W4DEK old-buzzard 6' black krackle rig that I'm restoring.
I'm sure that there is someone out there that is more familiar with them than I am, but I know that they are not very commonplace.
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« Reply #24 on: November 22, 2006, 06:58:26 AM » |
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Hi Frank,
Max is going to see if the tube is in any of the old tube manuals we have. He suggested waliking across the street to the tube museum and see if there is one or two there too.
You should just locate the units for any price and stick it to the man.
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