Title: fundamental xtal oscillator Post by: KC2ZFA on February 20, 2011, 08:13:41 PM hello all, I'm looking for a quick way to drive the exciter stages of the
Westinghouse MW-2 which require a low-power signal in the 1.8-5 Mc range (the input 6ag7 stage of that unit is shown in figure 2 below). Since I have a bunch of 160/80/40 xtals I am thinking of building the xtal oscillator/buffer shown in figure 1. It is from the TMC GPE-1A exciter. I have three questions, one question being "am I smoking something funny ?" The other two questions are on figure 1. What say the expert pool ? 73 de Peter Title: Re: fundamental xtal oscillator Post by: W7TFO on February 20, 2011, 08:34:47 PM #1...If it is old transformer varnish, ground up with something else flammable that you are smoking, then yes. :P
#2...No, they are in parallel to 'tweak the freq' as it were. The actual ground connection for each crystal is not very well shown, but it is sorta thru the shield of the cable between them, the caps, and the tube. #3...Sure, why not. Alternative DC isolation might be in order, but only playing with it will tell. 73DG Title: Re: fundamental xtal oscillator Post by: KC2ZFA on February 20, 2011, 09:00:30 PM #1...If it is old transformer varnish, ground up with something else flammable that you are smoking, then yes. :P my supplier only had flux ! #2...No, they are in parallel to 'tweak the freq' as it were. The actual ground connection for each crystal is not very well shown, but it is sorta thru the shield of the cable between them, the caps, and the tube. well, the xtal switch feeds the top of the crystal but the bottom of the crystal is on the braid and the caps to ground are attached to the braid...so they should be in series with the xtal ??? Peter Title: Re: fundamental xtal oscillator Post by: W7TFO on February 21, 2011, 11:56:53 AM I see...Is the braid bare or insulated from the chassis? It might just be a way to peak rather than tweak the freq.
Are we geeks? 73DG Title: Re: fundamental xtal oscillator Post by: KC2ZFA on February 21, 2011, 03:27:27 PM I see...Is the braid bare or insulated from the chassis? It might just be a way to peak rather than tweak the freq. The circuit diagram indicates the braid is not grounded except through the capacitors. Maybe someone with TMC equipment experience can chime in ? The manual says to adjust the trimmers (which appear to be in series with the xtals) in order to center the measured frequency on the indicated-on-crystal frequency after the oven has been in operation for a while. Are we geeks? that's for sure, but I also do this in order to consume the time that I would otherwise use to watch/listen to the (so-called) news. I guess I'm really asking if I can use the circuit in figure 1 as a fundamental crystal oscillator without having to worry about tuning the plate of the oscillator. The multiplication chain I want to drive was covered in this thread http://amfone.net/Amforum/index.php?topic=25432 Peter Title: Re: fundamental xtal oscillator Post by: w3jn on February 21, 2011, 11:39:15 PM Why not just use the existing 6AG7 as a xtal osc? The 6AG7 has been used a bazillion times for that purpose.
Title: Re: fundamental xtal oscillator Post by: KC2ZFA on February 22, 2011, 09:35:28 AM Why not just use the existing 6AG7 as a xtal osc? The 6AG7 has been used a bazillion times for that purpose. in the multiplier chain the 6AG7 is an untuned amplifier and is inextricably linked (considering my abilities to modify :-[) to a keyer. So I would prefer to leave that part intact. Am I reading the circuit in figure 1 correctly when I say that the xtal tune caps are in series with the xtal to ground ? And JN, pick a Sunday morning and go to the bazaar area in downtown Athens (Monastiraki) and look up the store of "POP 22 WATT" (if he's still around). Kalispera de Peter Title: Re: fundamental xtal oscillator Post by: KM1H on February 22, 2011, 09:43:51 AM Crystals??
YUK!! Title: Re: fundamental xtal oscillator Post by: w3jn on February 22, 2011, 10:45:23 AM Why not just use the existing 6AG7 as a xtal osc? The 6AG7 has been used a bazillion times for that purpose. in the multiplier chain the 6AG7 is an untuned amplifier and is inextricably linked (considering my abilities to modify :-[) to a keyer. So I would prefer to leave that part intact. Am I reading the circuit in figure 1 correctly when I say that the xtal tune caps are in series with the xtal to ground ? And JN, pick a Sunday morning and go to the bazaar area in downtown Athens (Monastiraki) and look up the store of "POP 22 WATT" (if he's still around). Kalispera de Peter Monastiraki has pretty much nothing for radio equipment. There's one old buzzard with a tiny shop that has some old components and that all I've found. All that keyer toob does is switch the screen of the 6AG7. No need for a tooned circuit on the plate of the 6AG7 but you could easily do so. Title: Re: fundamental xtal oscillator Post by: W2PFY on February 22, 2011, 01:34:52 PM Quote hello all, I'm looking for a quick way to drive the exciter stages of the Westinghouse MW-2 which require a low-power signal in the 1.8-5 Mc range (the input 6ag7 stage of that unit is shown in figure 2 below). The MW-2 transmitter system had a crystal oscillator section. It is a very simple system and I'll see if I can get the manual apart to scan it. The MW-2 was designed to have an output of 2.5 KW on phone. They also had an amplifier 10 KW for it but I can find little information in it. you can see my MW-2 here... https://picasaweb.google.com/Captionmarvelous/W2PFYStationPhotos# (https://picasaweb.google.com/Captionmarvelous/W2PFYStationPhotos#) Title: Re: fundamental xtal oscillator Post by: KC2ZFA on February 22, 2011, 01:52:09 PM The MW-2 transmitter system had a crystal oscillator section. It is a very simple system and I'll see if I can get the manual apart to scan it. if you could do that it will be greatly appreciated (in addition to elevating you to super-Godly status !) |