Beldon cable going to Mexico

[KR4WI]

Hey all: I read today in local paper the beldon cable company is closing KY/SC plants by 2007 and moving these production sites to Mexico, Just wondering if quality will change? Matthew KR4WI

[2ZE]

Looks like it's time for me to find a different vendor for cable, both at work and at my ham station. This s--t of runaway shops and outsourcing has got to stop!

Clark wire and cable out of Mundelien, Ill
1-800-CABLE IT
www.clarkwc.com

great stuff!

[KB2WIG]

Will the board of directors, and their families also go to Mexico?   ...... The US gov. supports these moves with our money. One of the benefits  of US factories "just" accross the border  was to improvre the Mexican economy and help stop illegals from etering the US......... klc

[k4kyv]

One of the benefits  of US factories "just" accross the border  was to improvre the Mexican economy and help stop illegals from etering the US...

The grandaddy of them all was radio station XER, that Dr. Brinkley used to tout his quack goat gland operation.

http://www.ominous-valve.com/xerf.html

[WA1GFZ]

As Ross said that giant sucking sound of jobs will head to Mexico.
Thank you beltway bandits how do you plan to replace the tax income?

[Pete, WA2CWA]

I wouldn't get too bent out of shape over this one. Belden has had a world-wde manufacturing presence for many years. For the press release on plant closing, go here:
http://investor.belden.com/news/20060605-199364.cfm
Belden already has four sales offices in Mexico serving the Latin and South America regions. These areas are big uptapped future revenue resources.

From the Belden site:

North American Manufacturing Plants

Belden CDT Inc.
350 N.W. N Street
Richmond, Indiana 47374
Phone: 765-962-7561

Belden CDT (Canada) Inc.
130 Willmott Street
Cobourg, Ontario K9A 4M3
Canada
Phone: 905-372-8713
Fax: 905-372-6291

Belden CDT Inc.
1211 Columbia Avenue
Monticello, Kentucky 42633
Phone: 606-348-8433

Belden CDT Inc.
667 Capp Harlan Road
Tompkinsville, Kentucky 42167
Phone: 270-487-6105

Alpha Wire Company
128 Tolman Avenue
Leominster, Massachusetts 01453
Phone: 978-537-8911
Fax: 978-534-1535

Phalo
90 Progress Drive
Manchester, Connecticut 06040
Phone: 860-649-6620
Fax: 860-649-1698

Red Hawk
14045 S. Milpitas Boulevard
Milpitas, CA 95035
Phone: 408-945-1800
www.red-hawk.com

Dearborn
4421 West Rice Street
Chicago, Illinois 60651
Phone: 773-772-7208
Fax: 773-772-7205

World-Wide Manufacturing Plants
Czech Republic

Kabelovna Decim-Podmokly, a.s. (mfg./sales)
Ústecká 33
40533 Decin 5
Czech Republic
Phone: 420-412-706-101
Fax: 420-412-706-203
www.kabelovna.cz

Denmark

Cekan (mfg./sales)
Videhoevej 4
Gjern DK-8883
Denmark
Phone: 45-86-87-52-99
Fax: 45-86-87-50-95
www.cdtdk.com

Germany

HEW-KABEL (mfg./sales)
Klingsiepen 12
D051688 Wipperfürth
Germany
Phone: 49-2267-6830
Fax: 49-2267-2203

Hungary

Belden Dunakabel Kft. (mfg./sales)
1116 Budapest
Hengermalom ut 43
Hungary
Phone: 36-1206-1987
Fax: 36-1206-1986

Italy

Industria Tecnica Cavi (mfg./sales)
Via Bora, 4
48012 Bagnacavallo
Italy
Phone: 39-0545-60470
Fax: 39-0545-61871
www.itc-indtecnicacavi.com

United Kingdom

Raydex (mfg./sales)
Church Street
Littleborough OL15 8HG
Lancashire, England
Phone: 44-1706-374015
Fax: 44-1706-370576

Details and lots of other info can be found here:
http://beldencdt.com/

[WA1GFZ]

yea just try to collect taxes from mexico to make up for lost jobs here

[Pete, WA2CWA]

yea just try to collect taxes from mexico to make up for lost jobs here

A brief noise in the wind. Unless you're inferring that the people whose jobs relocated to Mexico will never work again.

[Pete, WA2CWA]

Hey all: I read today in local paper the beldon cable company is closing KY/SC plants by 2007 and moving these production sites to Mexico, Just wondering if quality will change? Matthew KR4WI

Having working with Mexico’s work force  in two different factories in Mexico over the years, the quality will be just as good if not better. I found their work force to be very dedicated and conscientious bunch of people.

[WA1GFZ]

Pete,
I find American people love to have jobs also. Some like myself don't mind paying taxes. now insurance is a different issue. Most people who are outsourced have a hard time finding a job that payes the same money. Many times these people have been loyal employees of a firm for many years so I don't care if the mexicans stand on their heads when they work as it doesn't help anybody but the bean counters.

[Pete, WA2CWA]

Pete,
I find American people love to have jobs also. Some like myself don't mind paying taxes. now insurance is a different issue. Most people who are outsourced have a hard time finding a job that payes the same money.

Maybe some of these workers were overpaid for the skills that they had as measured in other similar work skill areas in other companies.

Many times these people have been loyal employees of a firm for many years so I don't care if the mexicans stand on their heads when they work as it doesn't help anybody but the bean counters.

Not true. In today’s work environment, employee churn is a fact of life. If you believe that when you start your work career at a company today, you will be there for your entire active work life, you’re dreaming.

Companies have to maintain profitability as costs rise. Material costs, wages, and overhead costs constantly creep upwards. Profitability not only equates to the bottom line but also to all the employees who have invested a portion of their 401K in company stock, and to all the other investors who have bought stock in that company and want to see their stock investment rise. Few companies relish the thought of having to move a manufacturing location from one place to another much less to another country.  However, when you look at the bigger picture, sometimes a major move like this is the only enviable way to maintain the profitability of the company, and continue to provide profits for company employee investors, and outside investors like you and I.

[WA1GFZ]

Pete,
The bigger picture is this country is turning into a third world country because we don't give a crap about each other anymore.
all the excuses in the world don't cut it when you lose your job.
Everyone isn't an over paid lakie.....like most CEOs.

[WA1GFZ]

Phil,
maybe we need to learn the new math??
just charge it..or get a government job.

[Todd, KA1KAQ]

Not that there aren't some sleezy CEOs out there, but I think the issues involved are a bit more complex. Right at the top would be unions with their hands out and taxes that punish anyone who succeeds.

I don't know of any business owner who wants their business to be stagnant. Growth is important, and growth costs money. People seem to forget the millions that 'someone' has invested in the business as well as everything involved with building it up. I have to believe that it's preferable to have your business nearby, in your home country, and so on. If/when it becomes cheaper to uproot everything and move it elsewhere, then we have some other things that need addressing. You can't have the 'cheap labor' argument and totally ignore the 'millions spent to move' aspect of a large company leaving the US(tech support call centers being somewhat of an exception).

Maybe we should deal with taxpayer-funded, bloated gov't spending on entitlement and other social programs that make people reliant instead of accountable? Or perhaps deal with the socialist workers party unions who discourage excellence and encourage mediocrity among workers by making employers pay everyone the same, regardless of which ones actually work, or making it nearly impossible to fire bad workers? We didn't suddenly lose our competitive edge in many areas like the garment industry: we made US products too expensive through added taxes and union costs.

I owed my own business once, years ago. It wasn't easy, I didn't get rich (lost a lot of money), and ended up closing the doors because of the difficulties involved. I came from a blue collar family with a strong work ethic and the some things I do understand: business provides jobs, and not everyone can be king. We should be a bit more business-friendly instead of penalizing those who do well for themselves while providing opportunities for others to work.

More power to Belden for keeping their heads above water and not succumbing like so many other companies have under the pressures of the deep-pocket, gimme mentalities.

That's my rant.

[W1DAN]

Hi all:

I spoke to my cable supplier yesterday. He has no hear of Belden moving.

My big long term concern is when all manufacturing is gone from the US, what will the people do for work. Will they be able to work.

My guess is no.

Then what?

Dan
W1DAN

[WA1GFZ]

I agree Todd, The beltway bandits need to make sure there is a fair playing field to make sure the taxes keep rolling in. It seems the present free for all is going to place even more taxes on big business because high paying jobs are starting to leave.
This will motivate even more large firms to leave making it even worse.
You want to import your stuff here you pay a duty tax so you don't put tax payers out of a job.
Free trade is a front for screw trade. Try to do this in other countries where the government serves the people.

[Todd, KA1KAQ]

Absolutely, Frank -

Here in the People's Republic of Vermont, we're making up for the shortfall in tax revenue not by cutting back on spending, but with rolling toll booths on the interstate highways. Vt has become pretty hostile to any business beyond ice cream or mittens unless it involves tourism, and when gas is expensive, fewer people travel. They have to make up the lost revenue somewhere, God forbid they cut back on how much they spend! Why not be more business-friendly, create more jobs, and handle it that way?

I still get a chuckle out of the folks who talk about 'that free federal money' the politicians bring home from Washington. Free?

Of course, we Americans need to do more to support US businesses too, even if a product costs a few more cents or dollars. 'Fair Trade' and 'Free Trade' are necessarily the same thing...

[WA1GFZ]

I buy American every chance I can.
I have never been inside a chink mart

[Tom WA3KLR]

As I recall, Belden cable was always the most expensive.  We never bought it unless they had something
there wasn't a second source for.

Sounds like they are getting their butt kicked as a result of their etherial prices.  This is the free enterprise system in operation.  If they lower their cost by going to Mexico, the company may survive.  Better to survive and keep some U.S. jobs than to die and loose all U.S. Belden jobs.  Everyone wins.

It a world economy today BOYS, like it or not.  Get over it.

The only real thing to complain about is the poor American management that is killing most companies.

[k4kyv]

[ Don't forget to surrender your U.S. passport when you cross the border and be sure to tell the Mexican immigration official, "Soy norteamericano y no quiero regresar a mí pais." When are you getting your new XE call from the SCT? Just beware...they don't have emission subbands down there!
ntries? Can someone make that point to the bloated, greedy CEOs?

But don't count on any kind of government job down there.  Foreign-born, even those who have taken on naturalised citizenship, are for ever barred from most public employment.

[Todd, KA1KAQ]

It a world economy today BOYS, like it or not.  Get over it.

The only real thing to complain about is the poor American management that is killing most companies.

I'm all for the free enterprrise/capatialistic approach since it allows anyone the chance to compete and succeed if they want to apply themselves and work for it. As for the 'world economy', I'd like to see it less subsidized by the US in the form of continuing huge trade imbalances and the giving away through theft or copying of our technology to Asian and other countries. We can have a fair trade structure without hobbling our own economy in the process. A world economy shouldn't be a welfare state paid for by those who have done well.

As far as 'poor American management' goes, that may still be true with the big boys like Ford, GM, etc. "Top Heavy Management" has more been the issue, but IBM and others have done well over the years to trim out the excess and remain competitive. The vast majority of large businesses though, have either had trouble right at the top (CEO and underlings) or, more commonly, had to deal with punishing taxes, the dead weight of unions, and a 'world playing field' that always seems to slanted in favor of "less fortunate" countries, at our economic expense. Giving others a leg up shouldn't be confused with dropping our standards to be more in line with theirs.

[Pete, WA2CWA]

Hi all:

I spoke to my cable supplier yesterday. He has no hear of Belden moving.

My big long term concern is when all manufacturing is gone from the US, what will the people do for work. Will they be able to work.

My guess is no.

Then what?

Dan
W1DAN

No one is saying Belden is moving all of its manufacturing out of the U. S.

"The Company will begin phasing out production during the third quarter of 2006 at its Tompkinsville, Kentucky, and Fort Mill, South Carolina, plants. The Tompkinsville plant manufactures coaxial cable; the Fort Mill plant manufactures twisted-pair data cable. Employment will be reduced at both plants beginning in the third quarter of 2006 and continuing until the plants are closed in late 2007."

315 people, out of approx. 5200, will be displaced by this move.

Most likely, suppliers will not see any change in their ability to order products since most finished goods will probably still be stocked at Belden regional supply locations.

[Pete, WA2CWA]

Having working with Mexico’s work force  in two different factories in Mexico over the years, the quality will be just as good if not better. I found their work force to be very dedicated and conscientious bunch of people.

If Americans don't have jobs, how can they get the money to buy all the products that are now being made in other countries? Can someone make that point to the bloated, greedy CEOs?

They won't need as much money to buy products made in other countries as they would if those same products were made here in the U. S.

[N9NEO]

A friend opened a transformer winding facility in Mexico.  The bandits were ripping off the trucks on their way back North.  They were unwinding transformers for the 15 cents worth of copper.  The transformers sold in USA for $8.00

A vendor who I had used for many years moved his facility to Mexico in order to compete.  We were paying $3.00 for each transformer.  Vendor ran into some difficulties and wanted cash up front to build our parts.  I went to China vendor and am now paying about 60cents for the same transformer.

Belden mfg. will probably be back in USA before too long.

[k4kyv]

AM broadcasters in Puerto Rico were having trouble with copper thieves ripping up ground radials as fast as they could lay them down.  Now some stations are using cheap galvanised steel barbed wire to build radial systems.  The stuff will probably last a long time.  I have seen the downed remains of barbed wire fences, erected in the 1930's, buried under the surface of the ground after the posts had rotted away.  The wire was very rusty, but still strong enough that you could pull it out of sod without it breaking.