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« on: October 14, 2020, 11:13:27 PM »

Does anyone have an estimate for the required plate choke milihenries in my conversion to 3870?


I have read the issues involve resonance at 3870 being an issue along with current handling capability.

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« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2020, 08:58:52 AM »

It's the combo of mH and distributed C that cause resonance.

GDO it (or use a VNA (my method)) of the choke in place and see where you have any resonance. W8JI also describes a method using a transceiver, though I've not done that

Since the TX was designed for lower in operation, remove some turns until the resonance moves above 75 meters.

But, no, I'm not sure what amount you'll need.  I use Xl 10x my plate impedance as a minimum.

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« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2020, 04:15:23 PM »

Shane, I was hoping there might be someone else who has done the same and knows the choke I might need....  I'm not adverse to using your technique though, just lazy.

That transmitter is taking up a lot of room in the shack and it needs to get done!!

Tom
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« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2020, 05:27:43 PM »

1.16 mH is what I came up with.

This was done:

Plate Voltage
2550

Plate Current
.550

(.6XPlateV)/Plate I


(2550*.6)/.550 = 2800 Ohms

Multiply that by 10 and you have 28K

XL = 2piFL
     = 2 x 3.141592653 x 3.870 MHz x 1.16 mH
     = 2.82E+04 ohms (to 3 significant digits)
     = 28,206 ohms


Hope that helps bud.  Maybe remove enough turns to get you to that point.


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(Edit:  I used the resting voltage on the BC1G listed in the manual for the transmitter.  Since that doubles along with current, the plate impedance should stay close to the same.  Also, this was done for 1Kw output.  Who runs 250 watts?Huh  Smiley  Although the 250 watts shouldn't be much difference since the plate voltage and current will both drop by half at carrier)
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« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2020, 07:53:29 PM »

shane how about for 11m Smiley
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« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2020, 08:13:28 PM »

Good luck getting it to play anywhere above 40.

Some have said they had problems getting them on 40.

Your comment was to tongue in cheek, I'm sure.

Besides, it's called extended 10 meters.

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« Reply #6 on: October 15, 2020, 11:06:42 PM »

Many thanks!  That will get me started!  Appreciate all the help.

73 Tom
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« Reply #7 on: October 15, 2020, 11:40:02 PM »

Tom,

No problem.

Transformer is perfect, I'll put the Czech in the mail 👌😊👍

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« Reply #8 on: October 16, 2020, 05:50:02 PM »

(.6XPlateV)/Plate I

I am really novice at this but everything you did seems clear BUT why the (.6) in the formula above?

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« Reply #9 on: October 16, 2020, 06:03:28 PM »

It's called the K factor.

Since the anode doesn't conduct 100 pct of the rf cycle you have to take it into account.

On a class C final you could probably up it to .7 or 8.... 

On another note, xformer showed up yesterday.  Very quick!  Have a check to you this weekend bud.

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« Reply #10 on: October 16, 2020, 06:38:21 PM »

Thanks, Tom
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