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« on: February 15, 2005, 03:23:43 PM »

Don't know what took them so long, but the NPRM seeking to allow 800 MHz cellphone use aboard aircraft was finally released today:

http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-04-288A1.pdf

Haven't read it yet, myself.

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« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2005, 03:29:05 PM »

Outstanding.  One of the last refuges of peace and quiet from morons yelling their "real important fine business" into these insidious little riceboxes will soon be gone.

73 John
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« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2005, 04:01:13 PM »

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Outstanding.  One of the last refuges of peace and quiet from morons yelling their "real important fine business" into these insidious little riceboxes will soon be gone.

73 John


Whip out a dictaphone and start recording them, John. Their self-conciousness will outwheigh their self-importance pretty quick.

And when you hear a cellphone ring in a bar, on a bus, train, or plane, yell out "I'll get it"!

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« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2005, 05:02:08 PM »

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NPRM seeking to allow 800 MHz cellphone use


do cellphones even use 800Mhz anymore?
does this mean i can bring an old 5 watt 1980's bag phone on a plane?  :-P

thought they were all up around 2Ghz now
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« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2005, 05:12:31 PM »

Maybe a little signal generator project would be in order.
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« Reply #5 on: February 15, 2005, 06:11:03 PM »

In my opinion the reason cell phones weren't allowed is that the airlines had spent so much to outfit the planes with a phone system they controlled and charged for.  What's not being talked about much is the fact that if you as a passenger could connect with ground based cell systems from 30,000 feet or so your signal would confuse  and tie up site after site. No problem. Your airliner now becomes the cell and will reduce the power of your transmitter. Oh, the call will cost you much more per minute as well. You'll get to pay a big premium for the convenience.

When the phones first showed up on planes it was so novel everyone used them it seemed. Lately they are a repository for chewed gum and other waist. Everyone got the message. The airborne phone system sucked and the billing was way over the top. Not much is changing. The new airborne cell system will use the same satellite relay. Think you have digital clarity now? Just wait.

Interesting this NPRM should come along when the airlines just happen to have the airborne cell technology and billing figured out.

Mike
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« Reply #6 on: February 15, 2005, 06:41:19 PM »

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« Reply #7 on: February 15, 2005, 07:48:03 PM »

This is probably foolish but I'll risk a prediction here.

The only place you will be able "safely" to use your cell phone will be on airliners equipped with the new, fancy, satellite cell site systems. Forget the commuter flights owned by contractors unless the payback is a success. Which it will not.

I'm with you. Listening to some loud sales puke telling lies is the last thing I want to hear. I'm waiting for the second bag of goldfish and a $5 Budwiser.

Mike
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« Reply #8 on: February 16, 2005, 05:52:14 AM »

Hello Motto...I think the whole worlds celled to death.. it's a sickness... :lol:
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« Reply #9 on: February 16, 2005, 08:37:45 AM »

My favorite "Yes! There Is a God!" moment
involving cellphone users:

Player 1:  Self important female lawyer
(I know her) yammering in phone while
powerwalking up sidewalk in front of an office
building.

Player 2: Self important business type, also
female, also yammering in phone, briskly
walking alongside aforementioned building in
direction of  sidewalk... and Player 1.

Player 1 reaches corner of office building at
same time Player 2 reaches  sidewalk.  Neither
saw the other because their views were blocked
by the building and both were so busy yammering
they weren't looking anyway.

Collision.  Cellphones hit ground. Papers and
brief cases fly. Player 1 almost falls on ass.  
Another guy and I were across street and saw the
whole thing unfold.  We looked at each other and
started laughing.
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« Reply #10 on: February 16, 2005, 09:54:59 AM »

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NPRM seeking to allow 800 MHz cellphone use


do cellphones even use 800Mhz anymore?
does this mean i can bring an old 5 watt 1980's bag phone on a plane?  :-P

thought they were all up around 2Ghz now


The 800 MHz analog infrastructure is still in place. When your 2 GHz phone falls back to analog mode, it's also falling back to 800 MHz.

The NPRM said 800 MHz phones, so that's what I posted. Read the NPRM and you'll see what they're up to.

By the way, do you want this 5G of RAM, 5 72GB SCSI drives, any of these gigabit copper and fiber NICs I got from our overstock? If they fit our Proliants, they should fit yours...

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« Reply #11 on: February 16, 2005, 10:12:26 AM »

Quote from: Mike/W8BAC
This is probably foolish but I'll risk a prediction here.

The only place you will be able "safely" to use your cell phone will be on airliners equipped with the new, fancy, satellite cell site systems. Forget the commuter flights owned by contractors unless the payback is a success. Which it will not.


Actually, the NPRM discusses pico-cell sites on board that are linked to terrestrial cell sites. Among other things, the NPRM invites discussion on the best ways to link a plane's pico-cell system to the ground systems.

It's all in the NPRM, guys. You could be getting this all from the source, instead of speculating about what it might say, or what the outcome will be, based on the snippets you're getting from me.

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« Reply #12 on: February 16, 2005, 11:11:44 AM »

Noted in the discussion section of the NPRM
number one reason for considering removing
a blanket ban on in flight cellphone use:  homeland
security.  

Transcript of cellphone call made by passenger
in Seat 32C aboard hijacked Flight 666:

"Hi Justin. Daddy loves you.  Go get
Mommy, I have to talk to her....
What?... Well, Daddy has to whisper right now.
What?.... Wow!  All by yourself?  Aren't
you getting to be a big boy.  Now Justin please,
go get Mommy.....
Hi honey.  I'm on a plane and we've been
hijacked.  I need you to call.... What?
I can't talk louder.  I have to whisper
so the hijackers don't hear me.....
Well, yes I guess this probably means I'll be
late getting home tonight....  
Yes, I know you've been stuck in the house
with the kids all week.....
Look, I'm real sorry if my being hijacked
spoils your plans for a night out.  But once again
it's all about you...  Hello?  Hello?"
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« Reply #13 on: February 20, 2005, 06:17:19 PM »

http://musicradio.computer.net/wwwboard//messages/253424.html
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