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« on: May 07, 2015, 01:24:17 PM »

Its time for the somewhat annual Rockchester Hamfest. And yes, the hamfest has moved again. Its now back at the firemans' field. And probably no beer tent/stand. Arrguhh. And definitely no to grills.

Saturday June 6th 2015

Gates open 7 AM

Barnard Fireman's Field - 360 Maiden Lane - Rochester NY 14616
http://www.rochesterham.org/Hamfest.htm

We'll see.

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« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2015, 03:27:42 PM »

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Grills and Cooking

The Town and Fire Department will not allow grills, BBQs, or any cooking at the Hamfest site.

Gee....... if I come up Friday and camp I can't brew coffee in the morning and make my eggs n' bacon??? That sucks.
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« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2015, 03:56:28 PM »

Wow! Firemen denying themselves the opportunity to put out fires!

That is self denial worthy of a Buddhist monk!  Smiley

happy hamfest!
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« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2015, 05:13:03 PM »

Make it a fun weekend; do Rochester on Saturday and poke down the road to Breeze Shooters on Sunday.

This is just some of the customer packing at Breeze Shooters:

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« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2015, 07:04:02 PM »

Unlike NEARfest I can drive to this one in a few hours.  Are there many AMers to meet and hangout with?  How about the flea market any good stuff ?  Never been and seriously considering it.  I would ask my HAM friends but I think they are all of the "other" modulation persuasion.  Cry
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« Reply #5 on: May 07, 2015, 09:15:59 PM »

The whole no cooking speaks more towards looking at revenue generation.   I have a microwave and an inverter,  along with a griddle and everything that runs off electric (trucking,  and now really handy as an electrician too).

I could understand local businesses wanting to get a piece of the pie....?

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« Reply #6 on: May 08, 2015, 11:13:58 AM »

The whole no cooking speaks more towards looking at revenue generation.
If there is a good food vendor at a fest, I don't mind paying the price.  This is the case with the sausage truck at NEARfest.  I was actually disappointed one food vendor wasn't there this year.  This was the lobster roll/clam chowder guy.  Maybe he is only there in the fall.
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« Reply #7 on: May 08, 2015, 02:11:36 PM »

I long for the old Rockchester days at the Dome, when it was second only to Dayton in flea market size..but the times are a changing..

I'll probably make the trip this year..it will be interesting to see how much the year off will hurt attendance.
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« Reply #8 on: May 12, 2015, 10:50:39 AM »

" I was actually disappointed one food vendor wasn't there this year."

Yes, I know watt you mean. At the dome, I would do my yearly, " Drinking of the Genesee" , at the beer shack. The only time I'd drink the stuff. The snausage and peppers were O.K.  I re-read the web posting, and they mention a bar near the ATM machine. So maybe there is still hope.

"...it will be interesting to see how much the year off will hurt attendance."

This type of  change seems to kill off events. Moving  locations multiple times in a short period of time doesn't help. The RIT location was nice, as it was fully paved. One of my friends is chair bound, and he doesn't go to to events that are not paved.

"How about the flea market any good stuff? "

It usta be good; NearFest may have drawn off some of the gud stuff. Back in 05 there was a group photo with about 30 AMers. Around noon, near the beer tent, the paparazzi would gather. Maybee this year, there will be a gathering around the ATM machine. Whatever happens, I'll take a few photos and we'll see.

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« Reply #9 on: May 12, 2015, 11:25:04 AM »

Sales tax:  That's going to discourage some sellers.  Wasn't there another Fester that went under and one of the contributing factor was this sales tax issue?

No cooking:  That pretty much rules out even brewing a cup in the morning in your camper that has propane fired cook stove inside the camper.  Sounds pretty oppressive to me.

NearFest had to ban open campfires for insurance reasons and the fact that there was a problem with a fire at Hosstraders.
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« Reply #10 on: May 12, 2015, 12:37:29 PM »


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My understanding is that the sales tax thing is for commercial activity. Flee sales, tailgating etc. seems to be exempt.

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« Reply #11 on: May 12, 2015, 06:42:54 PM »


A,

My understanding is that the sales tax thing is for commercial activity. Flee sales, tailgating etc. seems to be exempt.

klc

That section on the announcement certainly needs clarification.  "Selling vendors?"
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« Reply #12 on: May 12, 2015, 07:25:06 PM »


A,

My understanding is that the sales tax thing is for commercial activity. Flee sales, tailgating etc. seems to be exempt.

klc

Not really.

State of New York Sales Tax Guide:
Sales of tangible personal property are subject to New York sales tax unless they are specifically exempt.
The term tangible personal property means any kind of physical personal property that has a material existence and is perceptible to the human senses (in other words, something you can see and touch).

Quick Reference Guide for Taxable and Exempt Property and Services:
http://www.tax.ny.gov/pubs_and_bulls/tg_bulletins/st/quick_reference_guide_for_taxable_and_exempt_property_and_services.htm


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« Reply #13 on: May 12, 2015, 08:35:55 PM »


P,

Oh well, I guess I can't get rid of my ceramic frog.

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« Reply #14 on: May 23, 2015, 12:25:56 PM »


A,

My understanding is that the sales tax thing is for commercial activity. Flee sales, tailgating etc. seems to be exempt.

klc


Not really.

State of New York Sales Tax Guide:
Sales of tangible personal property are subject to New York sales tax unless they are specifically exempt.
The term tangible personal property means any kind of physical personal property that has a material existence and is perceptible to the human senses (in other words, something you can see and touch).

Quick Reference Guide for Taxable and Exempt Property and Services:
http://www.tax.ny.gov/pubs_and_bulls/tg_bulletins/st/quick_reference_guide_for_taxable_and_exempt_property_and_services.htm




Pete

That's what I tho't I heard.  I think I heard that at least one 'fester's downfall was in part due to the oppressive sales tax imposed from sellers who were not really prepared to submit the paperwork for selling a $1 item (or whatever).

The folks who wrote up those sales taxes were not at all mindful of the 'fester selling of goods.

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« Reply #15 on: May 23, 2015, 11:19:54 PM »

I guess we'll see how the tax issue affects it, but it should not. 'Hey mister, that's my best price including tax, if you don't want it, no hard feelings 8-) have a nice day!'

There is no need for it to suck any of the fun out of the event. Those who don't like it could make a petition for people to sign at the fest to exempt piddly things like this. - and even make funny drawings/cartoons on their tables about it. Just trying to be positive.

Hope there are lots of nice equipment pictures to be posted later and it's a good weather day.
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« Reply #16 on: May 24, 2015, 07:21:24 PM »



We'll see watt 'apens.... If it doesn't rain, and the wife gets up on time, there will be a full scale report.  With Pictures (in color).

I need some 837s along with a few phono jacks. A good reason to drive 90 miles and save some money. And maybe see some people before they crap out.....   


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« Reply #17 on: May 24, 2015, 07:33:59 PM »

Sounds like politicians' greed.
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« Reply #18 on: May 24, 2015, 10:05:03 PM »


A,

My understanding is that the sales tax thing is for commercial activity. Flee sales, tailgating etc. seems to be exempt.

klc


Not really.

State of New York Sales Tax Guide:
Sales of tangible personal property are subject to New York sales tax unless they are specifically exempt.
The term tangible personal property means any kind of physical personal property that has a material existence and is perceptible to the human senses (in other words, something you can see and touch).

Quick Reference Guide for Taxable and Exempt Property and Services:
http://www.tax.ny.gov/pubs_and_bulls/tg_bulletins/st/quick_reference_guide_for_taxable_and_exempt_property_and_services.htm




Pete

That's what I tho't I heard.  I think I heard that at least one 'fester's downfall was in part due to the oppressive sales tax imposed from sellers who were not really prepared to submit the paperwork for selling a $1 item (or whatever).

The folks who wrote up those sales taxes were not at all mindful of the 'fester selling of goods.

Al

What you read in that guide above can apply to some degree to many states that have a sales tax. As part of your Dayton flea market vendor package of papers, there were tax forms basically to issue you a temporary permit to sell and collect tax. Vendors at the Timonium hamfest back in the 90's use to order vendor outside spaces and tickets just to be sure they had space when they got there. Besides getting tickets and stuff from them in the mail, the state of Maryland also sent a temporary permit to sell and forms on where to send any tax collected.

Sales tax laws have evolved recently where when you order from big box vendors on the Internet, they now charge you sales tax even if they don't have a presence in the state where you live. Of course, this doesn't apply to the 4 states that don't have a sales tax.

As the guide indicates, there are a number of exemptions and exclusions depending on what it is, who you are, and probably a few others things too.
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« Reply #19 on: May 26, 2015, 11:52:59 AM »

If I come I won't be selling. But there will be a donation jar with suggested donations for everything on my table.
Donations will go to a cause of my choice. Smiley
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« Reply #20 on: May 26, 2015, 01:55:57 PM »

If I come I won't be selling. But there will be a donation jar with suggested donations for everything on my table.
Donations will go to a cause of my choice. Smiley


Actually doesn't make a difference if it's "suggested donations $" or "selling price $". Unless you or the "stuff" falls under an exemption clause, tangible personal property is subject to sales tax according to the law. Beyond that, what you do with the collected money is a "don't care".
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« Reply #21 on: May 27, 2015, 10:51:48 AM »

It was sarcastic, Pete. Lighten up! Roll Eyes
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« Reply #22 on: May 27, 2015, 02:17:01 PM »

It was sarcastic, Pete. Lighten up! Roll Eyes

Sorry; never known you to be sarcastic.
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« Reply #23 on: May 30, 2015, 10:47:57 AM »

Too many rules, regulations, can't do's, and taxes. I'll skip this one.
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« Reply #24 on: May 31, 2015, 09:17:34 AM »

I seem to recall someone saying this crap was the cause of the recent Timonium implosion, why they did away with the tailgating (best part) and all that.

NEAR-Fest always kept it simple, based on the rules of the town and fairgrounds: no open fires (campfires, etc), no open alcoholic containers. Plenty of folks have grilled or otherwise cooked at their spaces and enjoyed 'refreshments' without disturbing the cavalry. NM1V, 'GFZ and others can attest to the latter. NEAR-Fest even has an unofficial official beer.

It was sarcastic, Pete. Lighten up! Roll Eyes

Sorry; never known you to be sarcastic.

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