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« on: April 12, 2009, 04:55:05 PM »

April 12, 2009 3:22 PM

A senior US official tells me that President Barack Obama approved a recommendation by Defense Secretary Bob Gates and Joint Chiefs of Staff Adm. Michael Mullen to dispatch special forces to the US scene on Friday.

These special forces were authorized to take action "in extremis" against the Somali pirates holding Maersk Captain Richard Phillips, 53, hostage on a motorized lifeboat off the coast of Somalia.

A senior official tells me that when the fourth Somali pirate was on the Bainbridge ship, Phillips moved to side of the lifeboat to relieve himself.

At that point, U.S. special forces saw their opportunity and took other three pirates out.

Captain Phillips is now safe aboard a U.S. vessel.

It's "going to make a great movie," a U.S. official adds.

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By Stephanie McCrummen and Ann Scott Tyson
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Sunday, April 12, 2009; 4:11 PM

Mombasa, Kenya, April 12 -- An American captain being held by Somali pirates was freed unharmed Sunday in an operation carried out by U.S. Navy Seals, U.S. military officials said. Three of the pirates were killed and the fourth was captured.

The captain, Richard Phillips, who had been held in a lifeboat adrift in the Indian Ocean since Wednesday, was initially taken aboard the Norfolk, Va.-based guided missile destroyer USS Bainbridge. He was later flown to the USS Boxer, where he received medical attention and phoned his family. The operation took place at 7:19 p.m. local time, the Navy said.

He is "resting comfortably," said Lt. Nathan Christensen, a spokesman for the Navy's 5th Fleet in Bahrain.

"This was an incredible team effort, and I am extremely proud of the tireless efforts of all the men and women who made this rescue possible" said Vice Adm. Bill Gortney, commander of U.S. Naval Forces Central Command. "The actions of Capt. Phillips and the civilian mariners of Maersk-Alabama were heroic. They fought back to regain control of their ship, and Capt. Phillips selflessly put his life in the hands of these armed criminals in order to protect his crew."

At the White House, President Obama released a statement saying he was "very pleased" that Phillips had been rescued and calling Phillips "a model for all Americans."

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« Reply #1 on: April 12, 2009, 06:20:37 PM »

We FINALLY did something!!
OK now we have to give some revival vitamins to Steven Segall

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« Reply #2 on: April 12, 2009, 06:22:26 PM »

Just exactly the way I hoped it would go down.
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« Reply #3 on: April 12, 2009, 07:01:22 PM »

This IS a great outcome,--Am really proud as I do have a nephew who is a Navy Seal,
and secondly Capt. Phillips lives just up the road from me, (about 2 miles) in a small
neighboring town of Underhill Center, Vermont.
This is a great Easter gift for his family.

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« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2009, 09:00:12 PM »

Piracy on the high seas should always be dealt with in this way.
No trial, save the public the cost, and end it quick.

This is not the first time we've been bothered by the savages in that area, and it likely won't be the last.
Unfortunately, there is a long history of piracy, ransoms, even slavery to the American and European crews.
This is a lesson Jefferson taught the Barbary pirates, hence the "shores of Tripoli" in the Marine Corp hymn.
It is apparently a lesson they need to be taught once again.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbary_pirate
In 1786, Thomas Jefferson and John Adams went to negotiate with Tripoli's envoy to London, Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdrahaman . Upon inquiring "concerning the ground of the pretensions to make war upon nations who had done them no injury", the ambassador replied:
"It was written in their Koran, that all nations which had not acknowledged the Prophet were sinners, whom it was the right and duty of the faithful to plunder and enslave; and that every muslim who was slain in this warfare was sure to go to paradise. He said, also, that the man who was the first to board a vessel had one slave over and above his share, and that when they sprang to the deck of an enemy's ship, every sailor held a dagger in each hand and a third in his mouth; which usually struck such terror into the foe that they cried out for quarter at once."


God bless these true American heros, and the brave captain!  Wink

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« Reply #5 on: April 12, 2009, 09:42:12 PM »

What took so long? Those clowns should have been dead long ago. Better late than never.

Bruce makes a good point. Taking out these few does not solve the problem. There are many more where those came from. Gotta hit the shores.
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« Reply #6 on: April 12, 2009, 09:44:30 PM »

The first American-flagged ship to be taken by pirates in 200 years. I guess they forgot why they shouldn't do that.

http://www.cargolaw.com/2009nightmare_maersk.alaba.html

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« Reply #7 on: April 12, 2009, 10:23:07 PM »

Huz, I think that was the first clean shot they had at all three idiots. The only way to guarantee a safe return of the American. A fourth idiot gave up. I heard the life boat was in toe. I bet the rope was slowly getting shorter to get a better range.

Yup, time to drag out the old B52s. The problem is the rest of the candy ass world would prefer to pay ransom.
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« Reply #8 on: April 12, 2009, 10:30:14 PM »

I figured the Seals would take them from below. Maybe the swim in the open sea was too far/dangerous.

Glad they zapped them. Now let's get the rest.


Huz, I think that was the first clean shot they had at all three idiots. The only way to guarantee a safe return of the American. A fourth idiot gave up. I heard the life boat was in toe. I bet the rope was slowly getting shorter to get a better range.

Yup, time to drag out the old B52s. The problem is the rest of the candy ass world would prefer to pay ransom.
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« Reply #9 on: April 12, 2009, 11:00:27 PM »

Tom Vu recommendation:  All vulnerable boats need impassable 10kv wire grids installed on the sides of hull.

When out in open sea, any pirate-fags try to climb aboard meet 79 virgins - instantly. 

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« Reply #10 on: April 12, 2009, 11:18:27 PM »

Why don't those ships carry defensive weapons to protect themselves in what is known to be highly treacherous waters?  A '45 or two on board or even a 22 ga. hunting rifle would have been enough.  No huge arsenal would have been necessary.

A handful of ragtag pirates in a lifeboat with a couple of automatic rifles and RPG's can take a huge cargo ship?  They should have been blown away the moment they tried forcefully to board the  ship.  The pirate crew in that dinky little boat would have been sitting ducks to anyone willing to challenge them.  Navy Seals and Special Forces shouldn't have been necessary.
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« Reply #11 on: April 12, 2009, 11:26:39 PM »

Mainly insurance rates and the harbor/port laws of various countries.
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« Reply #12 on: April 12, 2009, 11:42:38 PM »

No-one would have had to know the weapons were there unless they actually had to use them.  I don't think authorities at ports of call are allowed to board and search a foreign flagged vessel without permission from the country where the ship is registered, since the ship is considered foreign soil, much like foreign embassies.
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« Reply #13 on: April 13, 2009, 07:26:11 AM »

You want a weapon with more range than the typical arms used by these clowns.  You also want something that will punch a hole in the hull to sink the boat to feed the large fish.
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« Reply #14 on: April 13, 2009, 07:30:32 AM »

A handful of ragtag pirates in a lifeboat with a couple of automatic rifles and RPG's can take a huge cargo ship? 
I could be wrong, but I think the lifeboat is what they escaped in, not what they used to board.  These pirates have a fleet of stolen ships to use for boarding. In fact they were attempting to do a search and "rescue" operation with these craft when our military scared them off.
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« Reply #15 on: April 13, 2009, 08:15:00 AM »

Given the RPG has an effective range of 900 meters, (more or less) and that you'd be targeting a small fast moving boat (sport power boat) or perhaps something like a trawler, you'd need a couple of 0.50 cals mounted on the super structure (minimum) as well as a standing watch and trained crewmen.

The tactical problem of defending a large ship with limited weapons and relatively untrained personnel would require a military team on board. There are huge blind spots on large vessels Dead zones where weapons coverage is either limited or nonexistent.

All of those factors plus the afore mentioned laws and regs of different ports of call make arming merchies tough. 

Maybe convoys with armed escorts would be a better short term solution, of course the pirates could avoid engauging the harder targets and wait until something soft and juicy shows up.

Better to catch the pirates on the ground.  But good luck with that, these guys have brought in over 100 million USD to an impovershed 3rd world country. The indiginous population thinks they are the greatest thing since sliced bread, so you would not only have to fight the pirate force, but a wholly supportive civilian population ready to help and replace them.
 You'd need to erode their popular support to the point they would have no place to call home (no replacements, resupply or support). Then blast them in the open ocean.

No one is going to be giving the somalies any financial aid or industry to get their economy going any time soon, so the whole pirate thing is hear to stay, until either the combined Navies get them, or something else changes.

I'd settle for them avoiding any ship flying Old Glory from the mast.
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« Reply #16 on: April 13, 2009, 08:58:01 AM »

Excellent insight, Ed.
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« Reply #17 on: April 13, 2009, 09:01:12 AM »

No-one would have had to know the weapons were there unless they actually had to use them.  I don't think authorities at ports of call are allowed to board and search a foreign flagged vessel without permission from the country where the ship is registered, since the ship is considered foreign soil, much like foreign embassies.

Actually, they can and do for inspection purposes. International law prohibits the carrying of arms other than war ships too, IIRC. Some companies have reportedly gone to carrying security teams, but have to get them onboard after the ship has left port and offboard before they enter, no doubt for the same reasons.

Some of the reports seem to indicate that the president gave the order, but all indications are that the okay was given last week to take action if the captain's life appeared at risk. Apparently when he was taking a whiz, one of the pirates had a gun pointed at his back and the others all made themselves visible to the extent needed for a clean shot. Simple definition of 'at risk' was fulfilled when they took him hostage.

A handful of ragtag pirates in a lifeboat with a couple of automatic rifles and RPG's can take a huge cargo ship? 
I could be wrong, but I think the lifeboat is what they escaped in, not what they used to board.  These pirates have a fleet of stolen ships to use for boarding. In fact they were attempting to do a search and "rescue" operation with these craft when our military scared them off.

Yep, they used a faster skiff offloaded by a mother ship, but the skiff sank last week. Access is easy as these cargo ships leave a ladder hanging overboard at all times, including while underway. They used the ship's lifeboat to make their escape, but it crapped out shortly after launching and there they sat. The Navy boat was supposedly towing them to safer waters (or keeping them at a close range).

I got a kick outta the one the crew took prisoner after sticking an ice pick through his hand. Run whatcha brung! Smiley

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« Reply #18 on: April 13, 2009, 09:17:18 AM »


Fly Old Glory and make sure you know what happens when you screw with Old Glory.
The old B52 works for me. At 50,000 feet raining 500 pounders. We don't have time to police another race of subhumans. Excessive force trains even the most stupid very well.
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« Reply #19 on: April 13, 2009, 11:49:20 AM »

An interesting side story. The Arleigh Burke-Class Destroyer Bainbridge (DDG 96), at the center of this rescue, is named after Commodore William Bainbridge. See the story for more.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Bainbridge
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« Reply #20 on: April 13, 2009, 12:39:59 PM »

You know if some country with say satellites in orbit could be looking for the infrared signatures of  small boats leaving larger ships and going towards container ships operating on the high seas. And said small boats and the mother ships that launched them just ceased to exist with no other information posted to the public.....
Don't you suppose that it would be a little more difficult to find willing Muslims to take their places? They would probably soon run out of virgins also.
So let it be written, so let it be done.
I don't want to hear a thing about it on the Clinton News Network.
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« Reply #21 on: April 13, 2009, 01:25:48 PM »

You know if some country with say satellites in orbit could be looking for the infrared signatures of  small boats leaving larger ships and going towards container ships operating on the high seas. And said small boats and the mother ships that launched them just ceased to exist with no other information posted to the public.....
Don't you suppose that it would be a little more difficult to find willing Muslims to take their places? They would probably soon run out of virgins also.
So let it be written, so let it be done.
I don't want to hear a thing about it on the Clinton News Network.
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The delay between the satellite imagery and a strike of sufficient strenght and organization would make it tough to execute.  Maybe they'll get a budget though, now that they boarded a US Ship.

As far as finding other willing subjects, as long as the money is there, volunteers will be also... Piracy is, and always has been about the Cash!  or Booty!
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« Reply #22 on: April 13, 2009, 01:47:07 PM »

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« Reply #23 on: April 13, 2009, 04:04:28 PM »

Further, it would be impossible to cover all the ships at sea with the sats. Real time sat imagery and retasking as shown in the movie "Enemy of the State" is pure fantasy.


You know if some country with say satellites in orbit could be looking for the infrared signatures of  small boats leaving larger ships and going towards container ships operating on the high seas. And said small boats and the mother ships that launched them just ceased to exist with no other information posted to the public.....
Don't you suppose that it would be a little more difficult to find willing Muslims to take their places? They would probably soon run out of virgins also.
So let it be written, so let it be done.
I don't want to hear a thing about it on the Clinton News Network.
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The delay between the satellite imagery and a strike of sufficient strenght and organization would make it tough to execute.  Maybe they'll get a budget though, now that they boarded a US Ship.

As far as finding other willing subjects, as long as the money is there, volunteers will be also... Piracy is, and always has been about the Cash!  or Booty!
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« Reply #24 on: April 13, 2009, 04:23:00 PM »

....by miles in short order of minutes like they did in that movie, physically impossible.

Anyone remember the part when the Gov was monitoring comms on a ham rig tuned to the 40m band?

Further, it would be impossible to cover all the ships at sea with the sats. Real time sat imagery and retasking as shown in the movie "Enemy of the State" is pure fantasy.


You know if some country with say satellites in orbit could be looking for the infrared signatures of  small boats leaving larger ships and going towards container ships operating on the high seas. And said small boats and the mother ships that launched them just ceased to exist with no other information posted to the public.....
Don't you suppose that it would be a little more difficult to find willing Muslims to take their places? They would probably soon run out of virgins also.
So let it be written, so let it be done.
I don't want to hear a thing about it on the Clinton News Network.
Keith
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The delay between the satellite imagery and a strike of sufficient strenght and organization would make it tough to execute.  Maybe they'll get a budget though, now that they boarded a US Ship.

As far as finding other willing subjects, as long as the money is there, volunteers will be also... Piracy is, and always has been about the Cash!  or Booty!
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