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Title: Former AMer WB4AIO busted
Post by: WA3VJB on January 08, 2007, 01:07:26 PM
There are reports of an arrest involving Kevin, WB4AIO, who was active on 75M AM in the 1970s and early 1980s. Kevin used to be the Chief Engineer of WEAM in Arlington, Va., and was an engineer at WUST Washington, DC, where my Collins 300-G came from. His technical notes were next to the transmitter when Fred, KC4MOP, myself, and Steve, WB3HUZ visited the projection room of WUST Music Hall, an old movie theater converted into a site for live broadcasts, mostly religious revivals. Kevin also is among those who helped me complete a homebrew transmitter in 1976 that I continue to use on 10 meters.


WVIR Charlottesville, Va.
http://www.nbc29.com/global/story.asp?s=5894604&ClientType=Printable
Man Facing Pornography Charges
Reported by Henry Graff
January 5, 2007   

And more from ABC network website:
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=2774119&page=1

And denials from the group Kevin took up with after he left ham radio.
http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=11227

I last spoke with him about 15 years ago when we were deliberating how to get that 300-G out of the projection room at WUST. It was a coincidence that the new owners of the station were planning on moving 1120Kc to the WEAM Arlington site and boosting power to 20Kw, which they since have done. But regarding the old WUST and the Collins,  he wasn't very chatty, and said he really wasn't interested in trying to recall any particulars about the rig.  Before that, I had seen him at a hamfest in northern Virginia, peddling used 4-400s in the fleamarket. Again, somewhat pleasant, but acknowledged he really wasn't on the air on the ham bands anymore.


Title: Re: Former AMer WB4AIO busted
Post by: Bacon, WA3WDR on January 08, 2007, 03:36:49 PM
Probably looking at naughty girl stuff from some rigged website.  After they are through ripping the guy up like a rag doll in the single-digit pages of section A for a few months, one day we will probably find (if we look hard) a one square inch retraction on page 39, just behind the lingeree ads, where the feds say "Uh, well, we can't PROVE that the girl was underage," and then it will turn out that 'Karen' was 23, and they knew it all along.  But who is going to speak up for a core player in the National Alliance?

Meanwhile, perverted Catholic priests and Mark Foley get covered up for years.


Title: Re: Former AMer WB4AIO busted
Post by: WB3JOK on January 08, 2007, 03:55:13 PM
Sounds familiar. Anyone remember Ray Donovan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raymond_J._Donovan), former Secretary of Labor, who after being acquitted of larceny in 1987 asked "Where do I go to get my reputation back"...

Of course there is also the wonderful logic of former Attorney General Edwin Meese III, who claimed "You don't have many suspects who are innocent of a crime. That's contradictory. If a person is innocent of a crime, then he is not a suspect." ( U.S. News and World Report, 10/14/85)

And it's apparently perfectly OK to belong to racially biased organizations like the NAACP and "La Raza". Just don't get noticed having "ties to a national organization that looks out for the interests of white people", as the article in the first link states. We're the US Gov't and we're here to help. Don't you feel safer now?

-Charles


Title: Re: Former AMer WB4AIO busted
Post by: W2VW on January 08, 2007, 04:31:38 PM
N1BEC deja vu.


Title: Re: Former AMer WB4AIO busted
Post by: k4kyv on January 08, 2007, 04:33:36 PM
Probably looking at naughty girl stuff from some rigged website.  After they are through ripping the guy up like a rag doll in the single-digit pages of section A for a few months, one day we will probably find (if we look hard) a one square inch retraction on page 39, just behind the lingeree ads, where the feds say "Uh, well, we can't PROVE that the girl was underage," and then it will turn out that 'Karen' was 23, and they knew it all along.  But who is going to speak up for a core player in the National Alliance?

Meanwhile, perverted Catholic priests and Mark Foley get covered up for years.

If a person is just viewing something on his computer and not uploading anything to the web for redistribution, I have never understood how visiting a website, regardless of content, is any different from tuning something in on a radio or off satellite TV.

You need only to casually surf the net to get images downloaded into your computer's cache memory.  Before I changed the default settings on my e-mail to protect my computer from attached viruses, I used to go through my in-box and as I deleted one message, the next one on the list automatically opened, complete with a "pre-view" of attached files.  Many of those messages were SPAM and the pre-views contained porno images.  That's all it would take to get a kiddie porn image on your hard drive.  View the websites below, and you will see why Kevin could easily have been a target for a set-up.

Kevin is still licensed as WB4AIO, per the QRZ.com website:

Callsign:   WB4AIO   Class: Advanced   Codes:  HAI   USA
Name:   KEVIN A STROM
Addr1:   PO BOX 762
Addr2:   Earlysville, VA 22936
Country:   USA
Effective:   03 Aug 2004   Expires: 03 Aug 2014

I knew Kevin personally back in the 70's.  I visited with him at several hamfests, and he and I were active in opposing Docket 20777, Johnny Johnston's first attempt to get rid of AM by "deregulating" it out of existence below 29.0 mHz.  Kevin used to run a BC-610 from the Washington, DC area.  One of his early attempts at "political broadcasting" was a recorded bulletin to alert the ham community about Docket 20777 and its implications regarding AM and other facets of amateur operation, which he would transmit on AM using the '610, right on the same frequency immediately following W1AW's 75m voice bulletins on SSB.

He disappeared from the amateur AM scene in ham radio sometime in the late 70's, but I have heard him broadcasting on shortwave using air time purchased by one of his affiliated white supremist organisations.  I seem to recall hearing him on SSB participating in the Liberty Net on 3950, sometime within the past decade.

I recall that he had strong anti-Jewish and anti trade union sentiments, which sometimes spilled out in our conversations, and even in some of his comments to the FCC regarding amateur AM issues.

Kevin is probably the only AM ham or ex-AM'er who has his own dedicated entry in Wikipedia.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Alfred_Strom

http://www.kevin-strom.com/

http://www.natall.com/

http://www.3950.net/



Title: Re: Former AMer WB4AIO busted
Post by: W2XR on January 08, 2007, 04:52:02 PM
I used to work Kevin, WB4AIO, on 75M AM back in the 1980s. I always enjoyed our conversations and I thought he was a really great guy, whom I looked forward to talking with.

When I found out much later that he had white supremacist leanings, I was frankly very surprised. I have seen his website and the links therein, and there is no question about his political and social sentiments, some of which appear to be quite extreme.

Too bad, I hope that everything works out OK for him. Regardless of Kevin's beliefs and opinions, of which I do not subscribe to, I still like the man. I guess when you play in those circles, and make your opinions widely known, this is perhaps the scrutiny you subject yourself to.

73,

Bruce


Title: Re: Former AMer WB4AIO busted
Post by: k3zrf on January 08, 2007, 07:41:04 PM
You guys are killing me!

Somebody got to that kid.

My $.02


Title: Re: Former AMer WB4AIO busted
Post by: John K5PRO on January 08, 2007, 07:54:15 PM
I remember meeting Kevin at WEAM, went to visit him with John Bissett, who was over at that station in Fairfax with the tower in the shopping center. I remember he and I had a common interest in Red Boxes, Blue Boxes, Black Boxes, back then - a long long time ago.


Title: Re: Former AMer WB4AIO busted
Post by: WA3VJB on January 08, 2007, 08:27:37 PM

John, wonder if during that visit you might also have met Morgan Burrough. I must be spelling it wrong or his license has expired. He was once suspected of  interfering with Virginia State Police radar after he retaliated for a speeding ticket by building a gunn horn transmitter in the same frequency band and mounting it behind the grill of his car. As for the Bell Boxes (collect the rainbow), another AMer, WD4BYE, used to work for southern bell and knew all the tones to generate whatever control sequence you wanted: Pay phones, long distance inter-relay, the whole thing.  And then there is Dave Garner, K3TCE, very active AMer from the early 1970s in that same group of BC engineers. Had a homebrew pair of 810s into 4-400s. Married a girl I went to school with. Still the CE of stations around Washington.
Don,
I think it was a T-368, not a BC-610.
The reason I'm of that impression is that TimTron had told me how Kevin had found a certain kind of RCA modulation transformer, a 1KW job, that just barely fit in there after he replaced the 4-125 pair with 4-400s. Still had the single 4-400 as the final. Wonder what become of the transmitter. HLR seems to know the full modification and some day maybe I'll do it on mine. Maybe Kevin will have time to come pay a visit again. Seriously, what a shame his technical skills went mis-directed in recent years.



Title: Re: Former AMer WB4AIO busted
Post by: W2VW on January 08, 2007, 09:02:00 PM
Back in the Seventies if one could get across a pay phone line, one could record the tones which were transmitted when coins were inserted. Those tones could be reproduced thus printing Ma Bell money. Others were much more advanced. Statute of limitations prevails. Sorry for the tangent. I've been on QRZ. 


Title: Re: Former AMer WB4AIO busted
Post by: Bacon, WA3WDR on January 08, 2007, 11:01:36 PM
WVIR Charlottesville, Va.
http://www.nbc29.com/global/story.asp?s=5894604&ClientType=Printable
Man Facing Pornography Charges
Reported by Henry Graff
January 5, 2007
Quote
Federal authorities say they found at least four pictures of child porn on Strom's computer with the file name "Karen."

They nailed him for four pictures of child porn?  Come on now.  If he was into that, he would have four thousand.

It may turn out to be coming from a rival in NA, or from the kid's mother who will turn out to have pulled this twice before.  I'm sticking to my prediction of a one square inch retraction on page 39 in six months to a year.

I diasgree with white supremacy, though.  White Pride may be one thing, but insulting other races is disconnected.


Title: Re: Former AMer WB4AIO busted
Post by: k4kyv on January 08, 2007, 11:42:18 PM
I'm not sympathetic with Kevin's politics, nor am I sympathetic to anyone being criminalised over a few images or other files on a computer hard drive, limited to personal use, regardless of content.  This is especially intolerable if the person was singled out for a bust because of his political views. 

From the newspaper article it appears that his house was raided on some bogus charge, probably some "national security" issue related to his political activism.  They couldn't find any incriminating evidence, but incidentally, in the course of their search, someone discovered the questionable images on his computer hard drive.

It seems that whenever a search warrant is issued for any reason, they routinely seize any computer found on the premises, regardless if a computer has anything to do with what they are searching  for.

I believe Kevin acquired the T-368 later.  But I recall that he did the Docket 20777 broadcasts on a BC-610.  I think it was an E- model.


Title: Re: Former AMer WB4AIO busted
Post by: KB2WIG on January 09, 2007, 02:58:58 PM
"It seems that whenever a search warrant is issued for any reason, they routinely seize any computer found on the premises, regardless if a computer has anything to do with what they are searching  for."

Its an easy way to open up access to bank records, cc info, email, etc. If one can convince the judge that the computer is somehow involved, anything found on it becomes fair game.  If , say, the police are looking for a rifle used in a shooting, the police had better ask the judge to include ammunition in the warrent. This gives them a legal reason to keep on searching AFTER they find the rifle.  Seaching for something physicall small allows you to keep digging till you get tired, or the place is fully tossed. Anything incidental to a legal search is admissable in court. Anything on the computer. If they find the 16oz of home use weed, allong with the Cubans Puros you got in Canada, well sorry charlie, you go for that too..

As Bacon pointed out, 4 Picks of "child porn" does not seem to be the norm for molestors/rapists.  It seems like they went fishing and found something....   It was common practice to take baby pictures and home movies of children in the nude. I guess this is pornography now... 

Is this guy a problem? I don't know. I do know that the media can screw up a story, especially when facts get in the way.

klc


Title: Re: Former AMer WB4AIO busted
Post by: WB2EMS on January 09, 2007, 03:23:51 PM
One of the things that worries me about these computer searches is, how do we know they found anything at all on the computer? If the FBI sends in an 'expert' to testify that they found X,Y and Z on a machine that no one else is allowed to examine, how do you know they didn't just 'create' the evidence to take down a politically incorrect personality they want for other reasons, but can't legally touch for those reasons? This guys seems like a perfect potential target for that kind of thing. Pretty hard to argue with the FBI, or ATF on technical minutia in front of a jury and get anywhere, especially when they refuse to make the evidence available. (Waco)

In these days of insecure operating systems and widely deployed viruses and malware on websites, it seems it would be a perfect 'black bag' ploy to take out selected dissidents or political opponents by hacking into the target's computer, uploading a couple of MB of kiddie porn, phoning in a 'tip' from a 'confidential informant' then raiding the house and carting away the computer only to 'discover' kiddie porn - and away goes the target for an all expense paid vacation to Club Fed. No muss, no fuss.

Anybody want to start a pool for how long till the first political campaign take down of this variety?



Title: Re: Former AMer WB4AIO busted
Post by: KB2WIG on January 09, 2007, 04:33:48 PM
"If the FBI sends in an 'expert' to testify that they found X,Y and Z on a machine that no one else is allowed to examine, how do you know they didn't just 'create' the evidence to take down a politically incorrect personality they want for other reasons, but can't legally touch for those reasons?"


Its a faith in the system thing...   

Yes, evidence can be faked, people lie, the innocent are punished.    And the Gov. can really screw things up.

As far as the part about 'no one else is allowed to examine", if its not examined by both sides, it can't be used as evidence.  << gen., the right to face one's accusers, the evidence being the 'accuser'>>

And for as dealing with faith in the system thing,  R. Reagan said  " Trust, but verify."      klc







Title: Re: Former AMer WB4AIO busted
Post by: W2VW on January 09, 2007, 09:29:10 PM
Well, there is still Hal Turner.

http://www.halturnershow.com/


Title: Re: Former AMer WB4AIO busted
Post by: WD8BIL on January 10, 2007, 08:27:29 AM
Quote
Meanwhile, perverted Catholic priests and Mark Foley get covered up for years.

Or Ted Kennedy's driving record. (or is that DIVING record)
Or Thom Jefferson D. LA and his $90K in cold cash
Or Pat Lehy's li'l "house of pleasures"
Or Gary Stubb's D.Mass Actually having sex with his 17 yr old pages.
Then there's the Monica humidor.....

Ahhhhh the list goes on.


Title: Re: Former AMer WB4AIO busted
Post by: W3SLK on January 10, 2007, 09:12:31 AM
Doug said:
Quote
Another sweet sounding rig of Kevin's was his Johnson Valiant. See Alternative Modulation, Issue No. 6, November 1983, pages 6 (schematic) and 7. The article is "Viking Valiant Modifications" by Kevin Alfred Strom, WB4AIO

Not to change the subject but where can you find this 'Alternative Modulation' issue? I did a google and all I came up with was the list of articles by Don, K4KYV and this thread.


Title: Re: Former AMer WB4AIO busted
Post by: Todd, KA1KAQ on January 10, 2007, 03:05:36 PM
Something about this case smells very strongly of Nixonian "Dirty Tricks", as Strom's broadcasts, heard internationally, were very embarrassing to the government. Strom also fiercely attacked the State of Israel, which, as a tiny country the size of New Jersey with few natural resources, has a disproportionately strong influence over this country's foreign policy. Could some of the friends of Mossad, the Shin Bet, or even the ADL in Washington have helped to set this up?


Actually.....It was the one-armed man!  ::)


Title: Re: Former AMer WB4AIO busted
Post by: Bacon, WA3WDR on January 10, 2007, 03:38:48 PM
The Hitler-on-prozac tone of the shortwave broadcasts may have irritated some people, but in the end it didn't amount to much more than a weekend diversion.  The National Alliance and American Renaissance and such just aren't going to catch on.

It may be an ambitious prosecutor trying to make a name for himself by 'protecting children'.   (Watch, the prosecutor may turn out to be the biggest child molester in two states.)  It is a typical maneuver to make a well-publicized child-porn find, followed by that quiet little one square inch retraction on page 39 behind the lingeree ads a few months later.  And who is going to stand up for Racism, Incorporated?  The prosecutor made a calculated maneuver that he figures will win him votes, and he figures Strom can't fight back, so he has nothing to worry about.


Title: Re: Former AMer WB4AIO busted
Post by: wa1knx on January 10, 2007, 06:33:00 PM
wow,
   I remember kevin, pretty good sig up here. used to talk with him to, years ago. I don't
remember the politics though. as to kiddie porn, that stuff can be put on your computer, just like
spy stuff.  I remember back younger internet, where the guys had thousands of young nun
pix on a system i managed, everyone (guys) would crowd in his office (me to) and google at the
lil girls. but then as the gov started getting on, fbi etc i told him to stop getting stuff and
i wiped it all out.  i go agree it sounds like the porn charge is devisive use to get kevin.


Title: Re: Former AMer WB4AIO busted
Post by: k4kyv on January 10, 2007, 09:03:11 PM
And we are once again back to the Scarlet Letter mentality.  Get busted for a kiddie porn file on your computer, and you are considered a "sex offender."  That means you are branded for the rest of your life.  You have to log on to the sex offender registry, there are restrictions where you can live  or work, and in some states you are not allowed to have any contact with children not your biological offspring.

While that might be appropriate for violent offenders who are psychologically examined and deemed a threat to society, but most of the sex offender laws make no distinction whatever between violent offenders and people who are a threat to no-one, but just happened to get caught up in the system.

As an example, I know of a case where a guy pissed off his girlfriend's mother, and she managed to get him convicted on a statutory rape charge.  He has to register as a sex offender even though he ended up marrying the girl and they now have kids of their own, and are a normal family, except that he is still subject to those sex offender restrictions, exactly the same as if he had attempted to murder a child. (I don't know what the mother's standing with the family is these days.)

I even heard of a computer virus that somebody wrote that allegedly would search out "illegal" pornography on an infected computer, and report the owner to the police.

If all this malware can so easily be remotely downloaded and installed onto a computer unbeknownst to the owner, how easy would it be to do the same with kiddie-porn files?


Title: Re: Former AMer WB4AIO busted
Post by: Steve - WB3HUZ on January 10, 2007, 09:12:19 PM
All of you guys complaining about this are now on the government's list. Better watch out! ::) The black helicopters are coming for you even as your mind is being controlled by the cell phone towers.


Title: Re: Former AMer WB4AIO busted
Post by: KB2WIG on January 10, 2007, 09:16:42 PM
You have to wrap your head in TWO layers of lumin foil caus the GOVERNMENT can conrtoll U of ya use only one. Still  watch out for the microCHIPS in your


Title: Re: Former AMer WB4AIO busted
Post by: Steve - WB3HUZ on January 10, 2007, 09:19:45 PM
Isn't that something. The government has spent billions to transmit those mind control waves and 29 cents of aluminum foil can defeat it. Amazing!


Title: Re: Former AMer WB4AIO busted
Post by: wa1knx on January 10, 2007, 11:00:18 PM
hee,
     well Don, I havn't heard of police scanning computers, not that they would
know how to. but my spy scanners have pulled out porn stuff from sites
I never heard of. I hear linux is much harder to break, may get there some
day.


Title: Re: Former AMer WB4AIO busted
Post by: W1ATR on January 10, 2007, 11:16:07 PM
It's all Bush's fault. So is the weather, and the band conditions.


Title: Re: Former AMer WB4AIO busted
Post by: k4kyv on January 11, 2007, 12:05:00 AM
Band condx excellent tonight.  Lightning storm map completely silent.  On 75, with no station transmitting all I could hear was a steady background hiss - like 10m or vhf.  AM QSO on about 3670, another one on 3695 and a couple in the old AM window.  Very few slopbuckets in between.  I briefly worked a station about 250 miles away; he was running 5 watts AM to an Argonaut. Too bad I have to get up early in the morning.

Maybe Bush's speech tonight made the band condx good.


Title: Re: Former AMer WB4AIO busted
Post by: WB3JOK on January 11, 2007, 09:37:40 AM
It's all Bush's fault. So is the weather, and the band conditions.

Strange, I thought I was browsing AMfone.net, not qrz.com  ;D
-Charles


Title: Re: Former AMer WB4AIO busted
Post by: Todd, KA1KAQ on January 11, 2007, 10:30:09 AM
Strange, I thought I was browsing AMfone.net, not qrz.com  ;D
-Charles

Actually Charles. it's conspiracy.com. :D

All of you guys complaining about this are now on the government's list. Better watch out! ::) The black helicopters are coming for you even as your mind is being controlled by the cell phone towers.

Cell phone towers?!?? No one told me about that!  :o

Steve makes a good point, though: helicopters require two hands to fly, so it couldn't have been... the one-armed man!

Seriously though, did anyone ever think that perhaps, just perhaps, the guy could actually be guilty? I obviously don't know one way or the other, but who here does? It's probably a good thing that none of use are judges, although I do think Deano would look like a badass in one of those white wigs they use in the UK.


Title: Re: Former AMer WB4AIO busted
Post by: k4kyv on January 11, 2007, 12:34:45 PM
Seriously though, did anyone ever think that perhaps, just perhaps, the guy could actually be guilty?

Possibly so, but a $500,000 fine for four images on a computer hard drive?


Title: Re: Former AMer WB4AIO busted
Post by: Pete, WA2CWA on January 11, 2007, 12:53:11 PM
4 images, 2 images, 10,000 images; there's no difference between slightly guilty, real guilty, and guilty.


Title: Re: Former AMer WB4AIO busted
Post by: John K5PRO on January 11, 2007, 01:13:40 PM
Paul (VJB), Yes, I do remember Morgan, but not in first person. My roommate at Va Tech knew him well. He also worked (or played) at WUVT in Blacksburg before I did, and left a reputation. We had a rack in the engineering room, which was labeled the Orgasmitron, for the Woody Allen device. I think it was something to do with Morgan. I heard stories about his busted radar jammer. He could have been associated with one of the incidents where WUVT AM 640 KHz carrier current 'accidentally' was heard many miles away, due to some leaky feeder mistake.....

I alerted some other VA broadcast/RF engineers who knew Kevin, of the news. They were stunned - but no one is totally surprised, that boy was pretty bright, and did whatever he wanted to do. Sort of inspirational as someone who got things done right. Well - sort of.

Speaking of red and blue, I remember patching a 2600 Hz tone over AT&T from the WUVT engineering room, via our HP 200 oscillator, and hearing the relays clicking down the network. I turned it off. My XYLs cell # is xxx-2600 and I remember it easily due to this. Fun stuff.

I still have a complete collection of 1970s newsletters devoted to early Phreakers. With the technical library at VA Tech, we had the entire AT&T/Bell journals. 


Title: Re: Former AMer WB4AIO busted
Post by: W1RKW on January 11, 2007, 04:51:01 PM
On the subject of conspiracy theories:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070111/ap_on_hi_te/spy_coins

I wonder if they do full fidelity AM?



Title: Re: Former AMer WB4AIO busted
Post by: WB3JOK on January 12, 2007, 12:28:37 PM
4 images, 2 images, 10,000 images; there's no difference between slightly guilty, real guilty, and guilty.

You wouldn't happen to be a fan of Draco (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draco_%28lawgiver%29), would you?
(The ancient Greek from whose name the term "draconian" derives)
 ::)

-Charles


Title: Re: Former AMer WB4AIO busted
Post by: Bacon, WA3WDR on January 12, 2007, 12:33:45 PM
4 images, 2 images, 10,000 images; there's no difference between slightly guilty, real guilty, and guilty.

We haven't seen these images; we have no idea if they are beach photos, porn or whatever.


Title: Re: Former AMer WB4AIO busted
Post by: w1guh on January 12, 2007, 03:59:50 PM
Well, there was that other paragraph that said, in part...

"Neighbors say federal authorities raided Strom's house in December, seizing boxes full of evidence. They arrested Strom Thursday afternoon at that same house."

Did they say what was in those boxes?

But, yea, four images?  Depends, of course on the context, but it's true that any of us could have four images that we are totally unaware of.  I'd like to think that the law is cognizant of that fact and those were, in fact, obviously willful downloads or whatever.

This reminds me of N1BTT (fake, bootleg call).  Did he wind up in the hoosegow for "being with a minor?"





Title: Re: Former AMer WB4AIO busted
Post by: Bill, KD0HG on January 12, 2007, 04:24:20 PM
http://abcnews.go.com/2020/LegalCenter/story?id=2785054&page=1


Title: Re: Former AMer WB4AIO busted
Post by: wa1knx on January 12, 2007, 04:42:38 PM
i'm glad i wasn't born today, we all used to steal our dads nudy rags and
swap em.  i wonder who dropped the dime on
the kid anyway.  AZ is tough, real tough sentences are handed out
here, and hard time in the az sun. in some places in the country smokers are lower
than child molesters, so glad I don't smoke either.


Title: Re: Former AMer WB4AIO busted
Post by: k4kyv on January 12, 2007, 05:59:37 PM
http://abcnews.go.com/2020/LegalCenter/story?id=2785054&page=1

Makes the days of the Scarlet Letter look like an era of enlightenment.

Except maybe for obvious pix of 6-10 years olds, how can they tell from computer pictures the age of a person anyway?  I have seen 12-years olds who could pass for 18, and it would be easy to apply a little make-up so that someone 18 or 19 would look like a pre-teen, and have them pose for "kiddie porn" pix or movies.  I don't think anyone has ever figured out a way to extract DNA from a photo!

At the rate we're going, it will be like during the reign of terror following the French revolution, when a person could be hauled into a kangaroo court and then assigned a date with the guillotine for mere suspicion of "plotting" or "subversion."  Only now, the justification is to protect the "children."

Sex offender status for sharing a Playboy magazine?  Gimme a break!

I suppose when we get on the air, we better not piss off too many slopbuckets, if we happen to have a computer connected to the internet.

Maybe my paranoid friend is right.  He won't have a computer in his house because he is afraid someone will snoop into his personal and financial records, and he stores his cell phone in a metal lockbox when not in use.


Title: Re: Former AMer WB4AIO busted
Post by: W1RKW on January 12, 2007, 06:18:17 PM
The problem with the court system (prosecution) is they're not interested in the truth but just a conviction. Innocent until proven guilty. Hah!  Sue Microsoft

OK, so this begs a question, Let's say you maintain a computer on a yearly basis by reloading the OS and software by using the reinstallation utilities (that reload the OS image) that comes with modern day computer, would all this garbage be permanently deleted from the HD? Something tells me no on an ATA or EIDE type drive.  I having a network in my household and all the PC's have ATA or EIDE drives there's no telling what the hell is on the HD.  How can one ensure illegal stuff doesn't exist on an HD if it's put there surreptitiously via the net without actually looking at over 50,000+ files on the HD? 


Title: Re: Former AMer WB4AIO busted
Post by: w1guh on January 12, 2007, 09:08:21 PM
Then there's the possibility that files can be put on you hard drive without your knowledge.  There's no technological reason that can't happen, even with the latest and greatest protection, spyware, firewalls, etc.  Over-zealous prosecutors seem to be capable of all sorts of stuff.


Title: Re: Former AMer WB4AIO busted
Post by: Bacon, WA3WDR on January 12, 2007, 09:10:05 PM
The problem with the court system (prosecution) is they're not interested in the truth but just a conviction. Innocent until proven guilty. Hah!  Sue Microsoft

OK, so this begs a question, Let's say you maintain a computer on a yearly basis by reloading the OS and software by using the reinstallation utilities (that reload the OS image) that comes with modern day computer, would all this garbage be permanently deleted from the HD? Something tells me no on an ATA or EIDE type drive.  I having a network in my household and all the PC's have ATA or EIDE drives there's no telling what the hell is on the HD.  How can one ensure illegal stuff doesn't exist on an HD if it's put there surreptitiously via the net without actually looking at over 50,000+ files on the HD? 

I've heard that modern drives are wiped pretty well by a reformat these days.  In the past, three full reformats were recommended to ensure complete erasure.  But unless you back up your files, you will lose everything.  And what are you backing up?

Who knows what is on a drive or what someone will make of it.  Police sometimes overstate their cases to pressure suspects into spilling lots of beans.  Prosecutors often are ambitious politicians.  I suspect that Kevin isn't going to cave, though, and I believe that the one square inch retraction will indeed appear on page 39 behind the lingeree ads in six months to a year.



Title: Re: Former AMer WB4AIO busted
Post by: k4kyv on January 13, 2007, 03:27:02 PM
Then there's the possibility that files can be put on you hard drive without your knowledge.  There's no technological reason that can't happen, even with the latest and greatest protection, spyware, firewalls, etc.  Over-zealous prosecutors seem to be capable of all sorts of stuff.

How often do you get a notice from Micro$oft announcing a critical update, to patch a hole in Windows that would "allow an attacker to take complete control of your computer"?


Title: Re: Former AMer WB4AIO busted
Post by: n3lrx on January 13, 2007, 04:10:22 PM
Hard drives don't really delete anything!
When you delete a file you actually change the filename in the directory table and flag it as deleted. The file is still there! But since the file is no longer mapped in the directory the OS is free to write to the sectors that file once occupied. So, if you delete a file and then by chance nothing gets written to those sectors you could come back a year later and recover that file!

The only way to truly delete a file is to shred it. What this does is modifies the filename, finds the sectors that the file occupied then fills them with 0's or empty bits. There are programs out there, many of them free that will do this. Only problem is, again with the right software the file can be recovered! To prevent anyone from ever recovering the file you need to repeat the process a dozen times or so. Again, there are software apps that will do this as well. You select files to delete, and it runs a batch and repeats the process several times.

Even if you format a hard drive all you do is wipe the directory table clean and mark all sectors free. The data is STILL there! Even though they say 'Warning! This will erase all data!'.

When you initialize a drive it clears the directory table and remaps the drive, again flagging all sectors open but the data is still there!

The only sure fire way to actually wipe a drive clean is to fill every sector with nulls '0's. That way every scrap of data is overwritten. Otherwise you never know how long the data will sit there until the OS decides to use that sector. Most drives have a TTL (Time To Live) on deleted files, I forget what it is tho.. What this does OS prevent any file from being overwritten in case it's been deleted accidentally. A useful safety feature, but it can also be a problem too.

And yes, there are virus' called trojens that sit in the background and some can be made to distribute porn without your knowledge. There are also what is called 'Browser Hijackers' that take control over your browser and won't let you close it, or choose what address to visit. Each time you try to close it, it reloads, you try to leave the site, it goes back.. Nasty stuff out there folks!


Title: Re: Former AMer WB4AIO busted
Post by: WB2EMS on January 13, 2007, 08:15:07 PM
w1guh said "Then there's the possibility that files  can be put on you hard drive without your knowledge.  There's no technological reason that can't happen, even with the latest and greatest protection, spyware, firewalls, etc.  Over-zealous prosecutors seem to be capable of all sorts of stuff."

That's exactly what I was getting at about a page ago - not hard to put something 'evil' on a computer these days, and with the low legal threshold and public attitude towards child porn, it's a perfect tool to take someone down by putting something nasty on their machine without their knowledge.

There was some mention in another thread about microsoft getting 'assistance' from NSA on some security features on Vista. As I recall, there was some government help on XP also, and of course there was some big legal case against microsoft which sorta faded away at some point back then. Wanna bet there isn't a back door or two in XP for the right alphabet agency to use? Especially with the new rules in the patriot act that allow agents to enter your house, do a 'black bag' job on your computer including installing keyloggers and other software, and exit without ever serving a warrant. I find it totally believable that someone that might be a thorn in someones side could be targeted and taken down by putting stuff on their machine without their knowledge, then triggering a search with a informant call.

As far as the FBI not turning over evidence in my comments earlier in the thread, the classic case I recall was from Waco, where the ATF asserted the original raid was because the Davidians were converting firearms to full auto, which they were licensed to do, without paying the requisite tax. However they flat out refused to make the seized firearms available to any other investigators, including the defense, to examine and verify the claim.


Title: Re: Former AMer WB4AIO busted
Post by: n3lrx on January 13, 2007, 09:53:44 PM
Wanna bet there isn't a back door or two in XP for the right alphabet agency to use?

That's a fact! M$ admitted long ago there are secret back doors for the Alphabet Police, and themselves to use. Most routers are also programmed with secret back doors so they can bypass the firewall. Windows XP and M$ Office can be disabled from M$ offices 1000 miles away. Windows has so much Phone Home stuff in it that it's pathetic.

Allot of people are going to be seriously disappointed with Vista once it's in full cycle. With Digital Rights Management it can tell you that you cannot use a CD, file, or device because it's not licensed to you, or the hardware is not certified DRM approved. If you install Windows and change any hardware or add a hardware device it can force you to reinstall to register that new device and if it's not approved it won't let you use it. Mac users aren't safe either! Because Mac is going the same route! Bottom line is the future of the big two OS's doesn't look bright! I'm glad I got familiar with Linux many years ago.

Windows XP will be the last M$ based operating system I will use. And I've owned   and used every one of them since MSDOS 3. I even had a copy of Windows 2.0 on 5-1/4" Floppies!


Title: Re: Former AMer WB4AIO busted
Post by: w1guh on January 13, 2007, 10:23:25 PM
It's all Bush's fault. So is the weather, and the band conditions.

Strange, I thought I was browsing AMfone.net, not qrz.com  ;D
-Charles




Thanks for the plug!   ;D


Title: Re: Former AMer WB4AIO busted
Post by: W1RKW on January 14, 2007, 06:58:15 AM
Does low level formatting a drive reinitialize the drive?  Is it true that a SCSI drive is easier to fully clean of data than an EIDE/ATA drive?


Title: Re: Former AMer WB4AIO busted
Post by: Bill, KD0HG on January 14, 2007, 09:27:04 AM

Run an old-timey tape bulk eraser across the drive case several times.


Title: Re: Former AMer WB4AIO busted
Post by: KB2WIG on January 14, 2007, 10:48:16 AM
    "Burn Bag"  - works every time.                 klc


Title: Re: Former AMer WB4AIO busted
Post by: flintstone mop on January 14, 2007, 11:04:17 AM
YUP
I remember WEAM the "lively one" and the daytime "Down Beat" and Johnny Dark doing Tops Telequest time at night as a remote from the various Tops Carry outs. The girls would come to you car with  the order.
And I definitely remember the WUST transmitters. There was one very nice man there, Can't remember the name and he said that those old transmitters were still "assets" to the station and a giveaway was out of the question. It's funny that they are on the air with a solid state 20KW AM Tx.
Fred


Title: Re: Former AMer WB4AIO busted
Post by: n3lrx on January 14, 2007, 12:22:51 PM

Run an old-timey tape bulk eraser across the drive case several times.


Frayed Knot OM! Most HD's are magnetically shielded. I even tried this myself just to bust this myth. I installed Windows on a Western Digital HD. After the system was up and running I pulled the HD and ran it over a Cart Bulk Eraser a quite a few times. The system still booted and there were no apparent problems during running.

Inside the HD there are sheets of magnetic media over and around the data chamber. If the drive is exposed to a magnetic field the magnetic field is simply absorbed and directed around the drive compartment instead of directly striking the data surface on the platter.

Disclaimer: That's not to say this can't be done on some of the many inexpensive drives. But my test on a common WD HD showed no damage at all.


Title: Re: Former AMer WB4AIO busted
Post by: k4kyv on January 14, 2007, 02:08:04 PM
4 images, 2 images, 10,000 images; there's no difference between slightly guilty, real guilty, and guilty.

I still say something's gone awry within the criminal justice system when you can get more time in the slammer for private possession of images on your computer's hard drive, than for committing a real live molestation.


Title: Re: Former AMer WB4AIO busted
Post by: K5MO on January 14, 2007, 08:09:43 PM
Unpopular people bring problems with "authorities".....

The whole kidporn thing is scary...four pictures? ... he coulda gotten those by answering any number of porno spam emails.

This kinda bust stinks.



Title: Re: Former AMer WB4AIO busted
Post by: k4kyv on January 15, 2007, 10:52:42 AM
Looks like the story has made national mainstream news. 

WB4AIO now appears as "not  listed" on the QRZ.com callsign lookup.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=2774119&page=1
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