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Hola ,

There was a time years ago when I was a meat and potatoes kinda guy. But over time I found that the chemicals added to most meats, like meat extenders and other stuff caused me bad headaches. I can go months without a headache. But then when if I eat beef, chicken, turkey or pork I get a bad chemical type headache. I like eating all meats, but, by no choice of my own, except for fish and sushi, I am a vegetarian now. I feel very healthy, trim and have no real problems except when I overdo the tower climbing.

Lately I've been reading stuff that is alarming. For example, over 80% of people over 50 years old in the USA are overweight. If 5' 10", of normal build, male and between 175-205 pounds, you are considered overweight. More than 205 pounds means obese. (tough standards)

In addition, being only 10-20 pounds over means a 30% chance of dying prematurely, before the average male lifespan in the USA. (I think that's about 77 years old these days.) 

I read yesterday that being a meat eater increases the chance of getting cancer by almost 40%. Vegetarians are generally more healthy if they do it correctly. A doctor said that if the USA went all vegetarian, it would "revolutionize" the health of America.
He also said that eating meat and fat is a big contributor to overweight problems, heart, circulation, etc., too.  In the USA, we eat over 1 million chickens an hour... ;)

I realize that statistics and opinions are open to interpretation and maybe eating meat is not that bad. But since I have no choice in the matter and must be a vegetarian now, I wondered how many others over 50 have thought about all this and are moving away from meat?   Has anyone actually focused on preparing healthy vegetarian meals or are you living on salads, fruits, nuts and berries like me? I understand there are some great substitutes, almost like gourmet foods.

 I'm open to suggestions from anyone who has already plunged into the vegetarian food whirl wholeheartedly...  ;D

T

Watch out.  Your posting may be pulled.  Isn't this a little "off-topic" for this board?

Get the Moosewood cook books. Great vegetarian fare in these.


If they do it correctly. I know this is anecdotal, but several vegetarians I know are way over weight. They don't eat meat, but they still eat too much food (too many calories) and most of it is crap food (high fat carbohydrates).

More evidence is showing caloric restriction is the key to longevity, not necessarily magic diets or vegetarianism.

Also, most vegetarians I know drive Pink PT  Cruisers.

Not likely. Was your post about Web filters pulled?

But you are right, any talk about healthy eating on a ham radio board is WAY off topic! ;D

What? I always thought HossTraders cuisine was the best!

Tnx for the Moosecock veggie cookbook suggestion, Steve. I'll do a search for it.
Yes, caloric intake restriction does seem the best way to control weight, no doubt.

Don:  Did someone delete one of your recent threads?    ???

T

I believe it was Ronald Reagin who once declared katsup to be a vegetable.  ???   If you think about it, beer is also a vegetable, with its barley and hops. ;D  On the other hand, the yeast might make it an animal product. >:(  So maybe there's meat in beer. :'(  At any rate, good avatar, HUZ (Guinness). :D

K2 Vegetable Herb ::)

I wouldn't call myself a vegetarian but I have dramatically reduced the amount of meat andd fish that I will eat. I prefer to moderate than to give it up  completely. For example through most of my childhood and young adult years and for many years thereafter I ate meat regularly on a daily basis. Dinner was not dinner unless I had some form of meat, i.e.hamburgers, steak, ham,pork chops, veal, lamb, beef, pork loin,  venison, etc... These days I will eat meat  but only  occaisionally. Meat is no longer a requirement for a meal. I consume mostly  plant matter.  I guess you could say that I  like meat too much to give it up completely. For example over the winter my mom made a really delicious fresh roast ham. There was no way I wan't going to enjoy a few nice slices of that ham,it was too tasty to pass up. But I didn't have any meat for at least a week afterward. I'd say on average I'll have some form of meat or fish once every week or two weeks. In between however I'll mostly eat salads and vegitables.

Vegetarian is an old indian word meaning; " I don't hunt so good !"

 ;D ;D ;D

How about:

"If animals weren't meant to be eaten, then why are they made out of meat?"

T

I have to get politically incorrect here.  Most people who are veggies BY CHOICE are a bit wierd and or eccentric! Most that I have ever known are quite strange. They are terrified of eating an animal. Sorry that is what animals were put here for. NOTHING satisfies like a good piece of meat! A nice porterhouse steak 2" thick cooked kansas city rare is a feast fit for a king, it just doesnt get any better.

In recent times I have went om my "life is too short for crappy food" diet and lost
55 lbs without giving up anything that I enjoy eating. I gave up the nasty, greasy fast food lunches and over processed better living through chemistry chain resturaunt food. And I dont miss it. However I still eat as much of the stuff I enjoy, and lost 55 lbs. If there is no place around to get something descent to eat, I simply dont eat. Since everything I enjoy supposedly clogs my arteries, the less that I clog them eating things that I dont enjoy, leaves more room to eat the things that I do enjoy.
I (being Sicillian) take eating seriously, and consider it to be one of lifes greatest pleasures.

If you have to give up meat for some wierd medical reason, that is a shame, and I feel for you. But if you become a veggie because you dont want to eat animals, you have to be some kind of wacko! Man was not designed to exist on celulose. Man, by nature is a carnivore!!

Tom, try staying away from the fast food joints, and buy your meats from a good reputable butcher, and your problem should go away.

I grew up in the food business, and was a meat cutter in my younger years, I was known for eating my beef absloutely raw!
                  
                                                                 the Slab Bacon

I love it!! ;D ;D

A meal has to satisfy the soul as well as fill the belly. (I guess its that Sicillian thing)
If a meal fills the belly, but doesnt satisfy the taste buds, it always leaves you wanting to eat something else! Which will make you gain weight.

                                                                 the Slab Bacon

All true Tom.....
 

Been doin it for 20 years now.... except I can't really claim to be a veggie anymore because of my recent addition to sushi  ;)... Check out Steve's suggestion, My wife and I have been whipping up stuff from the Moosewood Cookbook for years!... tasty stuff... Great soups..

Do you have an asian markets near you? There al all kinds of "fake meats" available made from tempe <sp?>, wheat gluten, TVP, .... bet I could fake out a few meat heads!  ;)

Funny!! That's what people say about hams!  ;D ;D ;D ;D

Some kind of wacko? right back at ya Frank!!

If man was meant to be a carnivore his teeth would be structured like a meat eating animal which they are not.

FYI... Ape's are not carnivores..


Tom; E-mail me if you want to discuss.... I can see this turning into an attack me fest very shortly...

"Human characteristics are in every way like the fruit eaters, very similar to the grass- eater, and very unlike the meat eaters.The human digestive system, tooth and jaw structure, and bodily functions are completely different from carnivorous animals."

I made to 50 and beyond and I enjoy a well-cooked bacon cheese-burger, lettuce, celery, and a tall cold beer. Then a good mild cigar after dinner and another tall cold beer or some good scotch. In my early 40’s, I went the veggie route for lunch each day. Didn’t feel any better, didn’t lose any weight, and always felt hungry most of the afternoon. You can die stepping off a curb, driving your car, or a thousand other ways. Life’s too short; eat a chicken or a great steak and be happy.

Try this one VU:

If we weren't meant to eat meat why do we have CANINE TEETH !


Glenn: Did you flunk biology ???
Not only is our mouth setup for tearing and slashing but our digestive system is primo for both veges and meat. Except corn, of course. Never seen any un-digested meat in my stool !!!

Now THAT's funny!!!

BAck to school bud...



"The human anatomy seems ideally designed for a plant-based diet. Upon close examination of our digestive system, you'll find a 29-foot intestinal tract. We share this elongated design with other herbivores so that we may enjoy a gradual absorption of our plant-based foods in the digestion process. Carnivores have a short digestive tract so that the rapidly-putrefying flesh can make a quick exit. The stomach acid of a carnivore is 20 times stronger than ours, which was obviously intended to accommodate the denser materials of their diet. Our jaw and teeth structure, like other herbivores, is clearly designed for the grinding and chewing action required for eating fruits, vegetables, grains, legumes, seeds and nuts while a carnivore has some serious fangs (much sharper, longer, and bigger than our own "canines") and a jaw that operates in a vertical fashion for the gnawing and tearing of hide and flesh. Additionally, our hands were made to pick things from trees and bushes or pull things from the ground, not rip and tear like the hooves and claws of carnivorous animals. "

That's because it's all stuck in your colon!

Can you say "Ted Nugent On Hunting" ?  ;D ;D ;D ;D

Humans are not carnivores. Our digestive systems resemble herbivores more so than carnivores. Not only do we lack the large mouths and sharp ripping teeth commonly found in virtually all carnivores but the chemical makeup of our digestive systems resembles the herbivore rather than the carnivore. Carnivores are also far more adept in handling the high cholesterol levels found in meats. Simply put their arteries don't clog up the way ours do.  Nor do they require fiber (cellulose) to maintain intestinal motility. We do. Ask any  true carnivore, like a  lion what he thinks of humans as carnivores and he'll probably have a good laugh. . But regardless my main concern regarding eating meats lies in what Tom mentioned.  Commercially produced meat incorporates too many hormones, chemicals, and other substances which can be detrimental to human health whcih is my primary reason for greatly reducing my  intake of meats. Yeah, it's true you only go around once in life so you  might as well enjoy it. But I think I can enjoy it better if I don't have a bunch of health problems.  Heck, I enjoy my meats just as much as the next guy. Whether it's nice hot Italian sausage, meatballs, pork, roast chicken, or a back yard barbecue I can still enjoy it.  I just enjoy it once in a while (once a week, 2 weeks)  rather than every day.

http://www.rense.com/general20/meant.htm

I only eat quality meat, my brother was a meat cutter for many years and my family ran a food joint so know what good stuff is.
I do eat lots of different nuts and berries with a pair of garlic tabs each day for good measure. I love fish.
A balanced diet is the way to go with quality food.
I'm not ready to file my teeth flat either.
I have not taken a sick day off in about 12 years.
My ass is fat cause I can't run anymore with a family from a few hundred miles noth of Frank's
We friggen love to eat cause you can't get laid all day long.
And shoot it down with pickled eggplant and a glass of wine.
and I don't eat bait.
The animal brain advanced when it started eating other animals because it was better fed.
Being limited as I am, don't want to go backwards.

Great site John.

Here's another one...

http://www.bobbyrock.com/foryourhealth.html

Glenn, FYI- we are not apes!! speak for your self!! 

This is not an attack fest on you, I'll always try to "put one accross your bow" I dont expect you to run and hide, I full well expect you to fire one back!  ;D


there ya go Frank said it all !!

Buddly, I'm with you,
                              Good food, Good meat, Get ready. Lets eat!!

                                                     The Slab Bacon

How about all the stuff they spary on fruits and veggies to keep the bugs away.
I only eat free range eggs because the commecical ones tast like crap.
I eat an egg every couple weeks.
I love fruits and veggies. I eat 3 hunks of fruit for lunch every day and sometimes I chase it down with a bag of M&Ms.
It will all kill you eventually......

Understood Frank  8)


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"Simply put their arteries don't clog up the way ours do.  Nor do they require fiber (cellulose) to maintain intestinal motility. We do. "

John is correct, we are not strictly carnivors.... neither are bears.....

What is the inuit ( eskimo) diet like?.... Almost all of the diet is animal based.  The Algonquin term eskimo means "eaters of raw meat"


Whale blubber is Good Eats....

 These factoids are brough to you by a rained in person. Do not jostle or otherwise agitate this induhvidual.

Yep, the stuff they spray on our veggies - good point.  Lately I've been eating from the garden, but that won't last.

Bag of M&M's... ;D ;D   Lately I've been getting into the vanilla ice cream with fudge. That's good for a few pounds.

Glenn, your paragraph about man being designed as a plant eater is very thought provoking. Probably the most interesting thing I've read this week.

Thanks for the websites, John and Glenn. Much to read now. Think I will get that Moosewood cookbook and make life more interesting.

Keep the good ideas coming!  There's no right or wrong when it comes to personal food preferences.

T

Your right Frank ! They can re-write human history all they want to "justify" their decisions to be veges.(which, by the way needs no justification. If ya wanna be a vege .... fine.) Man has been a meat eater since the dawn of time. This "we were never meant to" hogwash is a denial of all we've been !!

I'm a hunter/gatherer. Nothing better than a great steak next to a big pile of mashed potatos !!!

I guess you could say the eskimos don't have a lot of Victory Gardens growing in the Arctic... ;D

Merci bon monsieur...  Looks like an interesting site. I'll give it a thourough reading.

Just remember that P.E.T.A. really stands for "people eating tasty animals"

they are all welcome to sit right next to my smashed potatoes. (or even a nice pile of greasy french fries!!) or take a nice warm dip; in my boiling pot of tomato sauce!!
                                                     The Slab Bacon

Vegetarian for the past 34 years.

- W2JTD

IMO....who the hell cares who or what eats who or what!!!!!
Man has always been a meat eater......I dont give a sh$# what my teeth look like!
Eating meat to excess or eating vegies to excess will cause problems.
Where do we come up with these topics?
 :o

Tom,
I agree with you on the headache stuff.  My wife likes to by the cheap stuff to save money and I can't blame her.  We're both frugal but I like good things too and I tell her don't be afraid to spend the extra money.  In the long run we'll be better off health wise.  I have her convinced now that organic and natural is the way to go.  Yes, it costs more but damn we feel great.

Genes play are part in longevity too.  Proper foods are important as well.  Abuse of the body will certainly decrease lifespan.  Smoking, alcohol abuse, drugs (even perscription), stress, sniffing solder smoke, chemicals, soft drinks, processed foods and sugar you name it. It's not good for you.

I love fruits and veggies myself but I won't turn down a nice filet mignon if someone waves one in my face. Love seafood but won't touch the stuff anymore.  Balanced diet is key.  I'm physically active which is very important for the body.  The body was designed to be physically active.  I currently weigh 180lbs. I'm 10lbs over my weight when I was 18.  Was I over weight at one time?  You bet.  15 years ago I was 250lbs. A coworker snapped a picture of me at the Mohegan Sun when we were installing their Jumbotron. When he gave the picture I couldn't believe how big I looked. At some point my health started to change and I decided enough was enough. There was the point when I needed to go from a size 36 waist to a 38 then I decided it was time to make a change.  I dropped several sizes in the waist when it was time to go up 38 by getting active and changing the diet.  I'm back down to a 32 which is what I was, again when I was 18.  I've been this size now for 10 plus years and I'll tell you I feel great.

I bike ride, walk, run when I can.  I push a manual lawn mower for 2 hrs when I cut the grass. I just feel great.  I hope that I make it to 100years like my Grandfather. 

Tom;

I may go back to being a strict vegetarian vegan (no fish or dairy) but I have to be honest, I love good sushi!.. It's so delicious!!!.. I can eat large quantities at one sitting and not feel all bloated like after eating other foods. It's truly enjoyable eating! Especially with a nice bowl of miso soup!

Would you believe we found two outstanding sushi places down here? One of them the chef is actually Japanese.
 ;D ;D

Tom Vu.
I celebrate a hard day of construction on the weekends with a bowl of ice cream.
My kids refey to an empty as another fallen hero. Beer puts me to sleep so don't do much if I want to get anything done. Yup M&Ms are bad ........

Obviously the people who are posting in this thread Bill.

Bob,
I need to do the same thing but I'm already active so the only way is to starve.
I've never had a riding lawn mower. Just got a snow blower 3 years ago. fc

Frank,
There are times when I do the same thing.  Though I think skipping meals isn't good either.  There are times when I don't feel like eating but know I should so rather than have full blown meal whether breakfast, lunch or dinner I will consume something from the veggie bin or fruit bowl to hold me over until I'd like to sit down and consume a balanced course. 

I got a snow blower too.  I don't have a problem slinging snow manually but time is the key. Plus I don't do cold well anymore.  I have a 2500 square ft. driveway (about 100ft long) and it would take a lot time to clear by hand.  Liz decided for me that I should have a snow blower.  I guess she was worried about me keeling over in a snow pile when she wasn't home.

Paul,

I've heard you mention this on the air over the years. Please tell us more. What kind of meals have you settled on as staples and where do you shop, etc?

What do you think of fish and shushi in light of your present diet?  

Any tips on this subject would be much appreciated, OM!


Bob:  Imteresting on the drop from 250 down to 180 pounds. That great. Losing weight is all about mental attitude, no doubt.

Last winter I hit an all time high of 205. No clothes fit anymore. I felt like a frickin hog. Right now I'm at about 185 and need to get back down to 170 or so. About 15 pounds over. It always drops off in the summer and is melting off now. The winter is the pits for adding.

Speaking of steak - in certain high-end resturants I have tried steak and have no problems with headaches. It's the supermarkets with their "meat extenders" and other stuff I think. Any kind of meat I buy at these stores is a problem. Then there's MSG ... sigh.

T

Tom,
Liz and I when we buy meat, whether it be chicken, beef or what ever we go to a mom and pop butcher or specialty store. The cost is a little higher but the quality can't be beat.  One place we go to regularly belongs to the gun club here in town and he has a store in New Britain and his stuff is top notch. We also go to him because we get good deals because my brother in law and him are members of the club.  So I think that has something to do with the lack of headache and loogy feel.  I find chain stores like S+S are simply factories.  Getting the most for the buck whether it's good or not but "safe". 

Losing the weight was hard at first.  Like you said, attitude.  But what I found was the physical activity was addicting.  I couldn't stop.  The more I did the more I wanted to do. And the more I wanted to do the easier it was to shed the weight.  Eventually things began to level off weight wise and it became harder to acheive the goal weight but leveling off where I did  was easy to maintain and I'm convinced given where I stopped I'm well better off for it. 

One thing I'd like to add.  A buddy of mine is a marathon runner.  When I told him I'd like to get into shape and shed the weight he was so supportive and gave me pointers, advice and encouragement I couldn't back down.  When we ran together he put up with my having to stop to rest.  It was his encouragement that go me to keep going and not give up.  Mental part of it is having a support part too. That's an important part IMO.

If I can find the picture I'll post it along with present day. 

That's a silly argument. Show me a carnivore that has opposable thumbs and can use a knife to cut its meat. Quoting from inaccurate sources makes an illegitimate argument. Surely you can do better than this.

Steve, I drool over Guiness.  A man after my heart.

Indeed. And I think it's vegetarian too.

That's pretty cut and dry Steve...  What's inaccurate about it?...

"The stomach acid of a carnivore is 20 times stronger than ours, "

"...29-foot intestinal tract. We share this elongated design with other herbivores so that we may enjoy a gradual absorption of our plant-based foods in the digestion process. Carnivores have a short digestive tract so that the rapidly-putrefying flesh can make a quick exit.

Why don't you show some "facts" that prove this to be false?

It all starts at the mouth and it may be because of the design of humans.  If it isn't chewed well and pre-digested then something needs to compensate hence the long digestive tract......

http://www.beyondveg.com/billings-t/comp-anat/comp-anat-6b.shtml

Well I guess I better check with the board before I order dinner. ::)

Don't worry Bill.  Order up then we'll criticize.  ;D

"Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for survival of
life on earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet."

Albert Einstein



 

Bob,
I used to run 15 miles a week before I blew a disc. I really miss it.
You can still eat a good amount but burn it off easily.
My system is too efficient. Like the pack rat I am I don't miss anything
as I process grub.
Well Glenn that is a good one from Albert.

well I had a good reply here, and lost it. I moderate meat now, got my cholesterol
down. weights up cuz I havn't been running - I will fix when back in tucson. nothing
beats a good prime rib or ribs and a pint good beer! vegatarians, skinny running
sticks have huge egos, like they will escape cancer and heart disease. my brother
was like that, dead of cancer 12 yrs ago.. moderate.. tom, shushi, I lost weight
on it and love it! tx for turning me on to it with chuck some years back in
berlin ma!

D

 5 hours into thread and 3 pages allready....  Will this turn into another T** N*****  rampage?        .... ..            klc

I did. Show me a carnivore with opposable thumbs and the ability to cut its own meat. Until you do that, you have proven nothing.

Further, the fact that humans are designed to eat meat is self evident. We've been doing it for millions of years and have not died out. In fact, we've flourished. So, there, I presented several billion facts that prove false your premise. I'll start listening when you present several billion in return, since you seem to want to keep score.  ;D

This is what I learned in my Health Sciences Biology class.  You can choose to believe it or not based on yoru own beliefs or not.  It makes no difference to me.

Humans are neither strict herbivore nor strict carnivore.  We, just like other advanced primates, are opportunistic omnivores by nature.  We evolved to and can subsist on fruit, and berries (but not well on grass or bark, as we can not digest celulose, that was left to the cud chewers like deer and cows).  But we have the ability to eat and digest meat protein to carry us through lean times as well as to feed our big brains (<http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Corridor/5641/brain.wav>) with the kind of energy it needs.  This was further re-enforced and was re-enforced by our improved ability to make tools, communicate, and hunt.

This is consistant with human history. From the earliest days "man" thrived on either meat, depending on conditions, locations etc, and "man" thrived on plants. Some survived almost entirely on a vegetarian diet, others survived primarilly on a meat diet and still others survived on both.  Now which is the healthier diet in todays modern era is debatable.  There is evidence to indicate that a vegitarian diet is the healthier of the two. However this does not mean that one must be a strict vegetarian to be healthy. It is entirely possible  to incorporate meatinto the diet and still retain good  health. These days it is mostly  a personal choice, In days gone byit was often a matter of what was available.

One side note. One need not eatmeatto enjoy good tasting food. Give me some rice, red beans, some hot chiles, some tomatoes, onions, garlic and I'll do quite nicely. Throwing in a little meat into the miox does add for  a nice touch.

Im trying to figure out which way my thums point...............looks like usually towards the steak knife.

Dino,

Yes, shushi will always be a joy of my life, no matter what kind of diet I have. Glad you like it. There's been quite a number of hams turned onto shushi. It's addicting.

BTW, during an active thread, sometimes when we are typing, another post goes up and we get a red letter warning. You need to hit the post button again or yours will be lost. It's happened to me a few times til I realized.

As for skinny, weak vegetarians...  The guy below is a big advocate of vegitarism.Glenn posted the url earlier. One thing I found interesting is that he says all human required vitamins, ingredients, bulk, etc are available in plants. There is nothing in meats that plants cannot supply. It is simply a matter of personal preference to eat meat. He goes on to say that every meat/animal we eat gets ITS nutrition from plants. (beef, chickens, hogs, etc) So why not cut out the middle man?   ;D  I found that interesting. He went on to say that unlike eating plants, meats give us additional things that we don't need, like fats, cholestoral and other stuff. Here's his site: http://www.bobbyrock.com/foryourhealth.html

Here's a picture of this "skinny" vegetarian - his name Bobby Rock:  (Looks like he's ready to kick some meat-eater ass)

(http://www.bobbyrock.com/images/RO352.jpg)

Wow! Another Fabio wanna be. Good one Tom! ;D

(http://www.bobbyrock.com/images/RO352.jpg)

 ;D ;D ;D

You're right!  I didn't even realize it. HAHAHA   I'll bet if you were to Photo Shop his hair blonde, you wouldn't know if it was Fabio or real butter. 

T

Hi Tom -

I eat a lot of Indian food, just because I like it. I can't claim any physical benefits as I always was a skinny geek who never worked out. I have also recently (in the last 2 years) discovered that I suffered from an intolerance to wheat gluten (apparently the reason for my skinny body. I still get laid a lot, though) so no wheat, barley, oats or rye. Gin and tonic is OK!

Why a vegetarian? Way back in time, I heard the Beatles were vegetarians and it sounded cool so I gave it a try. Grew my hair out too. Then I just stuck with it as a matter of personal choice.

Food is a funny topic, like religion or politics (look at this this long thread). Interesting how passionate some of us are about our various points of view, and how judgemental we can be of others.

Just my 3 cents. Eat, drink and enjoy. QTF?

Well said Paul. What I don't understand is why some get so defensive about the vege lifestyle choice.
Oh well..... like you said; eat, drink be happy !!

Tom Vu,
              If Sushi is the joy of your life, you seriously need to find a woman ;D ;D

I used to love sushi untill I got food poisoning from it. After running from both ends for 3 days that was enough!  Like bill says "once bitten twice shy."

Man is definately an omnivore, but extreme eating habbits to either side are a bit wierd. I do enjoy a nice salad with my bloody rare steak!!

As far as GOOD red meat goes all that I can say is " in the mouth, down past the gums, look out stomach, here it comes!!"

The problem here is that too many hams are pissing and moaning on a bulletin board instead of getting on the air and operating!! Listen to the "AM window" on 75 these days and no one is on the air!! It's a lot more fun to piss and moan, and take pokes at each other live on the air!! ;D ;D

                                                         The Slab Bacon

Indian food is great.The hotter the better for me  though. Speaking of vegetables  I love  hot peppers. I am known for eating hot peppers raw with nothiong else. I also add them liberally to salads,chili, and almost everything.  I have also acqured a strong tolerance to hot pepper. I don't consider stuff like tabasco sauce or Texas Pete's to be particularly hot. Things that are intolerably hot and spicy to many are mild to me. But give mr a raw and well ripened chili and I'm happy. I could probably be a vegetarian as long as lots of hot peppers are included.  The more capsicum the better !! Yeah, one can live quite well on a plant only diet. I mostly do but I still like meat now and then.
 

My brother just turned me on to Tailand food which is very good.
Yup they eat veggie, meat, fish and fruit.

sushi gives me the feeling of poison when I eat it, so I don't.

Tom,
Check out hiland market in manchester for great meat.
Our local market in Scitico is also very good.
S&S and other chain stores beef smells like crap.

Paul/JTD,

Interesting on the Indian food. I would imagine that most of India is vegetarian due to their religion, etc. I wonder what other countries are mostly veg, like maybe China, and parts of Asia?

Yes, I understand about the wheat gluten problem you have. I sometimes feel effects from certain wheat products too. Hard to believe, really.

I wonder what your opinion is of eating fish, healthwise?

Frank/GFZ: OK on the Highland meat market in Manchester. I think I know where that is. Yes, I must check out some new outlets. That may be the solution to my meat headaches.

Frank/AHE:  Well, maybe I should have said that shushi is ONE of the joys of life. There are so many. The women come and go in my life, feast or famine - I get bored easily. ;D Variety is my thing in all areas. That's one reason why I'm looking into new foods here.    Just like ham rigs and bands - mix it up baby!

BTW, speaking of getting on the air...  this late Fall I expect activity to be booming again! After a big layoff there will be withdrawal symptoms from many. Personally, I have a new host of antennas and three new AM rigs I want to have fun with. We will do the big break-in round tables again where everybody laughs themselves silly. The heck with the straights. You will hear the Limbo Net, and a few new shows coming soon. 75M will be back to its old AM glory days soon. Count on it.

73,
T

OK, guys
              you heard it here!!
                   
Missa Vu,
            I'm holdin you to it! be there or be square! Dont wuss out!

                                                                         The Slab Bacon

In the mouth, down past the gums, look out heart attack, here it comes!!

The quality of life is by far more important than the quantity of life!

I'm 51, I weigh about 260lb, I smoke 2 packs a day, and I ride a motorcycle!!
So whats a little red meat gonna do that the rest already hasn't.
With all of that said, my blood pressure still runs around 120 / 70!

If I could have the big one and die face down in a big plate of linguini (or something else that I cant mention here) life was good!! And, a, er, furthermore I would have a smile that the undertaker couldnt get off of my face!  ;D ;D

                                                                     The Slab Bacon

I think it's sad that you would equate Eating/living healthy to lower quality of life.  ???

Healthwise I don't see anything wrong with it.  It's a recommended staple or substitute for meats.
I used to be a fish/seafood-aholic myself but have to stay away from the stuff.  :(

Geeeezzzeee, Some people just dont get it. Glenn, I am not condeming a healthy life style.
I am saying that one of pleasures of life is eating that which you ENJOY eating and enjoying the taste of.

What works for some doesnt work for others. A meal of rabbit food just leaves me wanting for something that satisfies. Rabbit food is fine as part of a balanced diet, but for me it doesnt satisfy the soul. To me, total vegetarianism (try to spell that fast) is like having sex and stopping short of completion!  It may fill the belly but it doesnt satisfy the hunger.

I would rather die at an earlier age and have enjoyed my life, than give up that which enhances the quality to live a few more years. If you love veggies have fun, I'll take a good
 piece of meat any day!!  And remember that not all things that we eat are fattening ;D ;D

                                                                              The Slab Bacon
                                                                        (with the fat meat shakin!!)

  

Save them fishbones for Henry Jones - I wanna eat some meat!

Smells like fish, and tastes like chicken: That's finger lickin!!!!

If it smells like fish, it must be delish!!  Eat oysters and live longer, eat clams and love longer!! (or is it the other way around??)
I love good seafood of any kind!!

 But remember Glenn, it's still animal flesh!!

Good seafood prepared properly is definately a delicasy! A definate treat!

Paul - Funny thing you should mention Indian food! It's about as diverse as one could possibly get, and my wife and I go crazy over just about all of it. Tandoori chicken, paneer with Indian (frumunda???) cheese, chicken vindaloo, Mullagatawny soup, etc etc. Some Indian cultures are strictly vegatarian due to religious beliefs. I hoipe to catch you on the air sometime soon so we can expound upon it.

If it smells like vegetables or cologne, leave it alone!

A big bowl of pasta with red gravy and brasciole on top

A bottle of good red wine

A female "Goombata" (companion) to cook it up in a pan, and never let you forget you're a man

Life don't get no better than that!

One more thing: Don't forget the cannoli!

Frank, it all comes down to whatever floats your dingy...

but I guarantee you this.... I enjoy life just as much as you do even though I don't eat flesh.!!

this time of year, we live off the vegaaaatable stands. I used to make a fresh
beefsteak tomato and fresh basil soup to die for. I have good friends down the
street to jog 6 miles a day , and are vegitarian, but they don't have the
i'm-better-than-you attitude some have. tom, i wonder if its msg or something
they stick in the meat?  franks right, getting good meat is key. as i said i moderate
meat, i can't get any good hamburg in the stores. but i had a delicious burger,
first one i've had in a while. the owner gets his hamburg from a place that
caters to fine restaurants. yum. tom the shushi is a real treat for me! no good
shushi here, but a couple good places in tucson. i used to have it once a week
for lunch - yum!

When I was growing up my mother used to make her own ground beef. It was lean and tasted excellent when grilled. I miss those days and those burgers.

On the subject of grilling there has been some controversy about the proper way to grill.  Meat cooked at a very high temp supposedly can cause the fat to change in a manner that it becomes a carcinogen.  Don't know how true that is but I guess I'll find out at some point.  I do slow cook on a kettle grill and regulate temp just in case but who knows.

Tofu and lettuce into the blender and that's it.    I've done the analysis and drawn the curves and that's where it's heading.   I've had to cut out this, eliminate that and reduce the other over the years and tofu and lettuce seems to be where it's  all heading.   Probably no salt either, just a few drops of lemon juice.   But I'm not there yet, happily.

Jon "I live in a state where people ask for extra sprouts"  K

John, IZE metioned spicy food.  Any hot sauce conisuerres?

Thats fine, Glenn, as long as your vegetarianism is not some kind of wierd cult type of thing.
Fresh veggies are fine as part of a balanced meal, and quite often enhance the experience.
(my dead animal is always welcome to sit next to a good salad) Lets face it, steak, salad, and a baked potatoe, it doesnt get any more American than that.

However, some veggies are bent pinky wierdos who take it almost to some kind religious cult or something. Those, I have a problem with. After all, if we didnt eat some of the other animals on this planet, we'd be overrun with them.

If you REALLY do enjoy vegetables as your main meal, thats kool, but if you are doing it for some other wacky reason, you are depriving yourself of one of life's geratest pleasures. Make your decisions from your own mind and heart, and not what someone else tries to talk you into!! (my sister in law turned veggie for a while because she thought it was trendy. that didnt last too long)
                                                            The Slab Bacon

Slab, I believe Ted Neugent has feelings about this...

Hey Tom 'JJ -

Sorry - didn't comment on the fish. Fish is cool. So's pot roast.  I would eat salmon in a pinch, no prob. Any lean meat, but no hot dogs, sausage or scrapple - if I want lips and assholes, Ill call up some old girlfriends.

Speaking of which, once in a high-spirited dialog with a shapely young lady from London at a bar in Cape May (Congress Hall Hotel, to be exact, in the spring of '06), I was asked, if I was starving, would I eat meat. I answered, hell yes, If I was starving, I would eat you! So how's about a little taste right now, yessiree.

Needless to say, she turned me down. But if I wasn't ugly and had money, that salmon would be on my breath to this very day.

But seriously, I eat a lot of chick peas and rice.

Lot's of room for me in the elevator.

Let's cuss and discuss more on the air. I'll be back on when the cool wx hits.

Yo Paul,

Yes, chick peas and rice are my favorites too. There sure is a lot in shushi. Do you eat shushi?

OK on the fish. I  enjoy swordfish the most.

Yes, let's look to get together on the air in the late fall. You could probably teach me a lot of stuff about your food style...  ;D

73,
T

I think the clowns that hacked the site were vegetarians. Ya can't trust any of them!

Hey, I love a good NYC Brisket, Pastrami or other deli sandwich... stuffed cabbage...
Pot roast. Yum.
Sirloin, yep.

Kliebasa... yummmm, Bacon, yummy yummy.

Heck man I even like Liver !!

Won't eat it anymore.

No red meat for this boy.

Don't want to live past 80 and have prions eating my brain for lunch... might end up like that anyhow, since the deal seems to be that they last forever. But maybe I didn't get one of those isomered prion molecules in there back in the day and I'm ok, good to go!

Also, don't want Colon cancer either.

The meat tends to stick in the colon, along with the nitrites from the processed meats.
Bad for the Colon.

I'll eat some occasional bird these days. Nothing red.

Also, I don't want dunlop disease either... my bod demands that I stay lean and mean or it revolts quickly and starts to complain in all sorts of nasty ways...

If you know how to cook, you can do rather nice stuff without red meat.

"...man's gotta know his limitations..." C. Eastwood

           ;D

                   _-_-WBear2GCR

All the more reason to drink Guiness and beers of that nature.  They'll flush you out.  And on a more serious note get a backend exam whether you're a meat eater or not.  I had my first one at the age of 35 because of a gut pain I was having. Turned out to be a hernia but I didn't know what to expect procedure-wise being the first time or what to expect as an end result.  The worst thing about the procedure was not eating for 24 hours. That sucked. The procedure itself was nothing and IMO worth the initial discomfort and  in trade for the piece of mind.  I wouldn't blink if my doctor told me to have one again.  I'm due.

Visit the doctor and get checkups!!! 

speaking of salmon, went to pick some up here in vt, 8.99 a lb! usually get it
for 3.99 to 5.99, passed it by. Tom, has the shushi prices gone up? won't have
any, until I get back to Tucson (its lousy here)

Most veggies are pretty normal folks. No cults, weird religions,etc. Yeah i dig meat, give me some italian sausage, a nice bragiole marinated in a good sauce. Lamb, veal, chicken next to some pasta does it for me. So does franks and burgers on the gril. But I can also dig the veggie scene. I do it weeks on end. Red beans, hot chiles onions, celery and rice.  Good stuff. I could live on veggies alone. But I like a slice of flesh now and then.
   

An appropriate amount of fiber and testrone injections will offset both.

Hey Frank, my Sister reports she and my Dad are in heavy pickled egg plant production.
She did convince him to use the outside grill this time.
He mentioned today they may have to buy some commerical cause garden can't support effort.

WOW!!  I"ll be there!!


I did traditional American this weekend, ribs and chicken on the grill, slathered in BBQ sauce, baked spuds wrapped and thrown into the coals. Quite yummy!! ;D ;D
 
                                                                   The Slab Bacon

I would eat tofu if it was the last thing on earth.

Real men dont eat tofu!! (or quiche for that matter)

or foam insulation