The AM Forum

more bombs in London. Time to deport these AHs and their families.

Yea, big surprise.

Sadly Frank, I think this is just the begining.
Coming soon to a town near you.
I tell you my friend, the end times are at hand.
There is no way that this can keep going on without someone going nuclear.

Just don't forget "Islam is the Religon of Peace."
Take a quick look at --> http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/


For a real eye opener, check the "List of Islamic Terror Actions" --> http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Default.htm#Attacks



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The story for a while was that Bush was somehow keeping the terrorist bombings cooped up in Iraq by geting us into that war.

That story appears to be changing now.  It would appear that we are not "taking the war to the enemy" any more.  I wonder what the talking point is going to be now.

It is interesting that the mayor of London was very recently quoted as saying that the West is partially responsible for the bombings, because of its foreign policy of interference in the middle east.  I recall that this mayor was tougher after the 7/7 bombing than Blair.  By comparison, Blair sounded like a petulant schoolboy.

And what would that accomplish ? Did we deport all Germans during World war 2 ?? What is it going to accomplish is we deport honest  hard working tax paying arabs and muslims who have absolutely nothing to do with these  cowardly acts and who generally condemn such actions.  That is exactly what the crazed sick madmen who perpetrated these murderous crimes  would like us to  do. It's part of their :"divide and conquer" mentality. The less people  know and understand each other the better it is for these fanatical maniacs.

Sitting back, doing nothing, isn't the answer. With your head buried in the sand, a certain part of the anatomy is high on the radar of Islam's Religion of Peace.

If Islam has a nuke that can be smuggled into a area of interest, Islam would and will use it. Some people still don't get the facts; infidels, christians and jews are the target. Islam doesn't care where they take the fight or who gets killed as a result.

If the free world wants to fight this Evil, those teaching Islam's Religion of Peace and those practicing it will have to be dealt with. This teaching of hatred of infidels, christians, jews, etc. in mosques has to be stopped. This is not religion, it is treason. I can't for life of me see how the U.S or UK lets these acts of treason occur in our own countries.

The time is long over due: if you don't like the way the free world operates, time to leave. (this planet)

Yes, I'm a hawk!

Hoopie,

Excuse me John, but how often do you hear Muslims condemning such attacks?

Very rarely.

The Muslim "response" to terrorism is usally apathy. Outside of London and 9-11, which could not be ignored, there is rarely empathy or even acknowledgement from Muslim representatives when members of their religion kill and maim in the name of Allah on an almost daily basis.

The habit of ignoring the violence - or tossing out a stale slogan or two when pressed - rather than exhibiting genuine anger and remorse, may be the biggest reason why the terror continues, since it not being properly addressed and rooted out internally.  It also indicates that the same bigotry underlying the motive to kill extends beyond the killers.

Log on to any Muslim website and you will instead find a litany of complaints against the same Western governments that most have worked so hard to live under.  

Not one Muslim charity exist to provide international support to both Muslims and non-Muslims alike.  In short, there is a distinct lack of empathy for those outside the faith.

When people lose life or limb in violent attacks by committed followers of Muhammad (as they do at the rate of more than a dozen a day) the Muslim community responds with either casual indifference, outright celebration or token acknowledgement followed by complaints that are absolutely trivial by comparison.

Sounds like amateur copycats to me.  Police said the emergency was not as serious as 2 weeks ago as it became clear that the attacks had either failed altogether or lacked the lethal sophistication of the July 7 bombs.   Some devices appeared not to have gone off properly and only one person has so far been reported injured. I'm waiting for more details on the story before I get my knickers in a twist.

http://www.msn.co.uk/news/newsflash/

Bruce, I know you are a smarter than what you write here.   You know that the majority of Muslims are not pro-bombing and do not support the actions of these extremists. In the September 11th attacks here in New York do you think it was only Christians and jews that were killed ?? There were many people of other faiths, religions and ideaologies, including Muslims who were killed. Yes, it is true that if you do go to some of the Muslim websites you will see a more broad based type of reasoning regarding why such attacks are occuring as well as the history that led to the extremist movement. They will make reference to a great deal of sufferage that was "infliicted" on the middle easter world by "western powers" , through the ages, the dividing lines that were driven across the regions, the splitting of regions ionto quarreling factions,  that were formed over the years as well as such things as the attacks on iraq and the  vast numbers of civilians who were killed. Two wrongs don;t make things right and that is exactly what the extremists are counting upon. On the other hand there are two sides to the history that has driven the situations that we see now in the region. To turn a blinds eye to one or the other is not  going to solve the problem,

It's easy to say that it's all about a "bad religion" and it's followers versus a "good religion". with good followre. But  the reality is far more complex than that.  . I am sure you are aware that many Christians interpret elements of the bible differently, and that most Christians don't take the bible word for word verbatim,. that the bible is filled with sexual references, violence and manty actions that would be considered sociopathinc and anti social behavior and frequently the bible is self-contradictory. I am no theologician but, if you sit down and talk with scholoars of theology they will verify these  claims anmd their relation to mans interpretation of religious doctrine.  And, what about all the death, strife, misery, warfare and wholesale slaughter committed over the ages in the name  of Chritianity by men who truly believed they were defending their God  ?  What  about the great thinkers, scholars, scientists who were threatened and  sometimes put to death when their theories  and ideas conflicted with the teaching of the church ?? yet, does this sordid history mean all Christians and followers are Christianity are evil barbarians ?? Yes, indeed they are if we apply the same simplistic criteria to Chritianity as we do to Muslems and Islam. But somehow we seem to be able to realize that most Christians are good decent people who don;t support killing, violence past, present or future, and most Christians simply want to practice their religion in peace, raise their families and  live their lives. Most follwers of Islam want pretty much the same thing. The don;t want to kill infidels, Christians or Jews, they want the right to practicve their religion in peace and live their lives.

By condeming the entire religion of Islam and all those who follow it we are doing exactly whetthe fundimentalist extremists want.  They would like nothing more than to see us close down all mosques and throw every follower of Ithe Islamic faith out of the country. The deeper a wedge we drive between our cultures, the less knowledge and understanding we have of each other the better for their sick twisted evil agenda.  They want nothing more than to subvert normal, law abiding, Islamists into hard line hate filled  fanatics.  I have faith that  there are answers  to the probems we face  today. But  to solve  them we must look beyond the simplistic black/white, all-good/all-bad train of thought.

So what do you propose ? Round up and execute all followers of the Islamic  faith living in our country ?? The Romans tried to do that with followers of the "evil blasphemous"  Christian faith. Perhaps we can round up followers of Islam and feed them to the lions ?? In order to accomplish this feat we are going to have to violate one of the very principles  of our own nation, that people should have freedom of religion.  Who is going to decide which religions are good or bad and then give the order  to round em all up ?? What about the many followers of Islam who were born here and have been American citizens all their lives ?? Do we round em up too ? And even if we are successful in cleansing the nation of this "evil" religion, what religion will be declared evil tomorrow ?? Perhaps all those who belive in evoilution instead of creationism will be rounded up. IOnce we allow ourselve to condemn an entire religion and call for ridding the natuion of it's teachers and followers we  are  setting a dangerous precident for our future.  And what does it accomplish. There are still millions of them all over the world.

http://www.biteycastle.com/taken.htm

There are two countries today that sing a different tune after WWII. Iron Rain as described in a earlier post produced enuf white flags. Those living there don't want to start trouble again! Lets get down to simple terms: Kill or get killed, ever play that game? Or how about: Them or Us. Sure glad Truman decided on THEM.

Better yet, lets kill a couple birds with one stone. What if we the people could tack on an amendment to some of the items the house and senate pass. Take for instance, our elected leaders of the house and senate voting for pensions worth millions per year and not paying into social security. What if we the people said, "For the privilege of the millions $$, your sons, daughters, grandchildren, family, will be the first boots on the ground in all wars to come". Ask your self while life is still good, Them or Us? As it stands, my children are at risk.

Hoopie,

Wonder if the people in England are beginning to question the Blair/Bush bullshit story about fighting them in Iraq so we don't have to deal with them at home?

Not sure George, but if anything I would think the bombings serve only to highlight the need to fight in Iraq rather than London.

Freedom of religion does not allow one to participate in a religion which violates other rights. Nor does it allow mass murder in the name of religion.

Your argument is specious John. Can a Nazi, certainly Nazism is a form of religion; kill Jews - that's a belief of their faith?

The freedom of religion extends just to the point where your religion harms others, and then it becomes a crime.

Would you care for me to post a list of terrorist actions which been carried out in the name of Islam? Sorry, Evil is NOT a religion.

Take a look at what has occurred in the last 3 months and tell me that the world needs more of this "religious freedom”:

Date     Country     City     Killed     Injured     Description

7/21/05    Iraq    Mahmudiya    5    8    A religious extremist kills himself and five innocents in a blast at a traffic checkpoint.
7/21/05    India    Sopore    2    2    Two civilians are killed when the Mujahideen attack a security camp.
7/20/05    Pakistan    Gilgit    3    0    Three people are gunned down in sectarian attacks.
7/20/05    Iraq    Hilla    4    4    Two car Jihad bombings kill four and injure four, including a young girl.
7/20/05    Iraq    Baghdad    10    21    A suicidal Sunni murders ten people near an airport and causes egregious injuries to at least a dozen others.
7/20/05    India    Srinigar    6    17    Hizbul Mujahideen suicide bomber targets a missionary children's school in the Indian capital, killing at least six and injuring more than a dozen.
7/19/05    Iraq    Baqubah    13    0    Jihadis stage a shooting attack on a minivan carrying civilians, killing thirteen in all.
7/19/05    India    Chitabas    6    0    The Hizbul Mujahideen enter a residence and slaughter six members of a family, in a heinous attack.
7/19/05    Chechnya    Znamenskoye    14    36    Fourteen people, including civilians, are killed in a Jihad attack by Muslim separatists on a remote road.
7/18/05    Pakistan    Karachi    1    1    A Sunni cleric is attacked in his car by Shia on motorcycles, who manage to kill his son.
7/18/05    Iraq    Baghdad    7    0    Islamic insurgents murder six policemen and a government worker in six separate shooting attacks.
7/18/05    Pakistan    Quetta    1    1    A Shia schoolteacher is gunned down, and his wife critically injured.
7/18/05    Thailand    Yala    3    1    In three separate attacks, Muslims behead a farmer and shoot at least two other people to death, including a school principal.
7/18/05    Afghanistan    Uruzgan    9    0    Nine villagers are slaughtered in a Taliban raid.
7/18/05    Pakistan    Chilas Farm    5    15    Five passengers aboard a bus are killed when the Mujahideen ambush it along a mountain road. Fifteen others are injured.
7/18/05    India    Arwani    1    1    The Mujahideen shoot a man to death outside his shop.
7/17/05    Iraq    Baghdad    22    21    Four Fedayeen kill twenty-two people in separate suicide suicide bombings.
7/16/05    Iraq    Musayyib    71    160    A religious extremist with explosives wrapped around his chest, detonates himself in a crowded city street, killing over seventy other people. Nearly two-hundred others are injured in the horrific attack.
7/16/05    Iraq    Basra    3    2    Muslim terrorists kill three British soldiers with a roadside bomb.
7/16/05    India    Baramulla    2    0    The Mujahideen shoot a man to death outside his home, and also stage a separate attack that kills a 6-year-old girl.
7/16/05    Thailand    Narathiwat    2    0    Muslim separatists attack a school, killing two security guards.
7/15/05    Iraq    Baghdad    27    100    Seven suicide bombers take at least twenty-seven innocents with them to Allah. About one hundred others suffer injuries; many lose limbs.
7/15/05    Thailand    Narathiwat    2    0    Two female teachers are gunned down by Muslims on motorcycles as they are walking home.
7/14/05    Israel    Netiv Haasara    1    1    Palestinian terrorists hit an Israeli residence with a missile, killing a woman.
7/14/05    Thailand    Yala    2    21    Islamic militants set off four bombs in restaraunts and other business areas, killing at least two people.
7/13/05    Pakistan    Jhal Magsi    3    3    Three children, including two brothers, are killed by a homemade bomb.
7/13/05    India    Bigambri    1    0    The Mujahideen abduct a civilian, then kill him in captivity.
7/13/05    Iraq    Jalawlah    2    16    A suicide bomber kills two others inside a Sunni mosque.
7/13/05    Iraq    Baghdad    27    25    An Islamic suicide bomber deliberately plows his car into a group of children, slaughtering at least twenty-seven. Children were amply represented among the injured.
7/12/05    Iraq    Kirkuk    3    15    Sunnis detonate a car bomb in an industrial district, killing three civilians and injuring fifteen more.
7/12/05    Israel    Netanya    4    70    The terror group, Islamic Jihad, takes credit for a suicide bombing, in which a bomber kills four Jews crossing the street in front of a mall. All of the victims were female, two were teenage girls. About seventy others were injured.
7/11/05    Somalia    Mogadishu    1    0    al-Qaeda assassinates a Somali peace activist outside his home.
7/10/05    Iraq    Syrian Border    7    0    Two Islamic suicide bombers kill seven customs agents.
7/10/05    Iraq    Kirkuk    4    15    Suicidal Sunni kills four civilians on a highway, near a hospital. Fifteen are injured in the blast.
7/10/05    Iraq    Baghdad    25    47    A al-Qaeda suicide bomber blows himself to Allah, taking twenty-five innocents with him. Nearly fifty others are injured.
7/9/05    Algeria    Tezi Ozo    4    0    A group of thirty Islamists set-up a fake roadblock, then slaughter four Algerians that are fooled into stopping.
7/9/05    Iraq    Baghdad    8    0    A family of eight Shia is grusomely murdered by Sunni radicals as they sleep in their home.
7/9/05    Pakistan    Karachi    1    0    A Shia cleric is gunned down on a street by Pakistani Sunnis.
7/8/05    India    Rajouri    4    0    Four Indian soldiers are ambushed and killed by Islamic militants.
7/7/05    Iraq    Baghdad    1    0    al-Qaeda Organization for Holy War pronounces "Allah's judgment" and kills a kidnapped Egyptian diplomat on video.
7/7/05    Afghanistan    Helmand    10    0    Ten Afghan police officers are captured by the Taliban and senselessly beheaded.
7/7/05    UK    London    52    750    Islamic terrorists massacre more than fifty commuters on three separate subway trains and a double-decker bus on the street with four suicide bombs. Over seven-hundred people are injured.
7/7/05    Iraq    Mosul    5    52    Five people at a market are killed when Sunni terrorists lob more than a dozen mortar rounds into the square.
7/6/05    Thailand    Narathiwat    1    0    Muslims on motorcycles shoot a 52-year-old in the neck and hand as he is riding to market.
7/6/05    Iraq    Jbeila    13    30    Thirteen civilians are slaughtered in twin suicide bombings by Muslim extremists. About thirty others are injured.
7/6/05    Algeria    Skikda    1    13    Islamic fundamentalists bomb a convoy, killing one Algerian solider and injuring thirteen others.
7/6/05    India    Budgam    1    0    The Mujahideen kidnap a student from his classrom and subsequently shoot him to death.
7/5/05    Dagestan    Makhachkala    2    0    A prominent politician is assassinated, along with his uncle, by suspected Islamists as they sit in their car at a light.
7/5/05    Iraq    Baghdad    3    0    Islamic extremists shoot three barbers to death for shaving beards.
7/5/05    India    Pulwama    2    1    In two separate home invasions, the Mujahideen shoot two people to death and critically injure the wife of one.
7/5/05    Thailand    Pattani    1    0    A 44-year-old security force member is abducted and beheaded by Islamists.
7/4/05    Iraq    Baghdad    2    4    A remote-controlled bomb kills two civilians, including a woman.
7/4/05    Iraq    Baghdad    2    1    Sunni insurgents kill a painting contractor, and kidnap, torture and behead another man.
7/4/05    India    Dadsar    1    0    The Mujahideen abduct then shoot a civilian to death.
7/4/05    Dagestan    Makhachkala    2    2    Two policemen are killed by an insurgent bombing.
7/4/05    Afghanistan    Bande Sardeh    1    2    A suicide bomber on a bicycle kills a Turkish engineer and injures two others.
7/4/05    Iraq    Fallujah    3    9    Three civilians are blown to bits, and nine others badly injured by a Fedayeen suicide bombing on a busy road.
7/4/05    India    Wagbal Karhama    1    0    A youth is abducted and hanged by the Mujahideen.
7/3/05    Afghanistan    Kandahar    1    0    Pro-democracy cleric is killed by a Talibn sniper his home.
7/3/05    Syria    Damascus    2    0    Two Syrian border patrol personnel are killed an an Islamic extremist, near Lebanon.
7/2/05    Iraq    Mahmoudiya    2    0    A bomb hidden in a vegetable cart targets a Shia funeral procession.
7/2/05    Iraq    Hillah    6    26    Two Sunni suicide bombers kill at least six people and injured dozens more in a Shia neighborhood.
7/2/05    Iraq    Baghdad    16    22    A suicidal Muslim bomber kills sixteen other people outside a police station. About two dozen others are injured in the blast.
7/2/05    Dagestan    Makhachkala    11    23    Russian troops and civilians are casualties in a radio-controlled bomb attack outside a bathhouse blamed on Islamic militants.
7/2/05    Afghanistan    Paktika    6    2    The Taliban attack a UN convoy with a roadside bomb, killing six Afghan security personnel.
7/1/05    India    Kashmir    3    0    Three civilians are abducted from their homes and executed by the Mujahideen, including a 65-year-old man.
7/1/05    Iraq    Baghdad    1    0    A Shiite cleric is gunned down in cold blood by Sunnis in a drive-by attack.
6/30/05    Afghanistan    Tirin Kot    9    1    Nine village elders are kidnapped and killed by the Taliban, along with a 10-year-old boy.
6/30/05    India    Kallar Kattal    1    0    A man is attacked in his home and beaten to death by militant Muslims.
6/30/05    Iraq    Baghdad    7    0    Muslim gunmen burst into an optician's shop and kill seven people in cold blood - four from the same family.
6/30/05    India    Mahakund    4    0    The Mujahideen kill a 20-year-old girl on the night before her wedding, along with her mother and a neighbor. A civilian is also abducted from his home and killed in the same district.
6/29/05    India    Srinagar    0    14    Fourteen people are injured when the Mujahideen toss a grenade into a city street.
6/29/05    Israel    Mt. Dov    1    3    Hezbollah attacks an Israeli position from across the Lebanese border, killing one and injuring three.
6/28/05    Iraq    Baghdad    5    0    An 87-year-old Iraqi politician and four others, including his son, are killed by a Fedayeen suicide bomber.
6/28/05    India    Bhaderwah    4    0    Four security personnel are killed by Muslim militants in a shootout.
6/28/05    Thailand    Pattani    2    0    A janitor and a poultry trader are murdered in separate attacks by Islamic militants on motorcycles.
6/28/05    Thailand    Yala    1    0    Islamic militants shoot a government worker to death as he is walking along the side of the road.
6/28/05    Iraq    Kirkuk    3    0    Sunni terrorists kill three oil company workers with a roadside bomb.
6/28/05    Iraq    Baghdad    4    24    Four civilians are killed, and dozens injured when fundamentalists detonate a car bomb outside a theater.
6/28/05    Iraq    Musayyib    3    13    A suicide bomber enters a hospital then detonates his explosives, killing three other people.
6/28/05    Iraq    Tal Afar    4    21    Four people, including a child, lose their lives in a Jihad mortar attack.
6/27/05    Iraq    Baghdad    3    0    Islamic fundamentalists attack a barbershop, killing two, including a 9-year-old boy, then blow up the building.
6/27/05    India    Kupwara    1    0    The Mujahideen abduct a woman from her home, torture then murder her.
6/26/05    India    Dachabpore    1    0    The Mujahideen abduct a civilian from his home, take him to an orchard and kill him in brutal fashion.
6/26/05    Iraq    Mosul    36    19    Four bombings by suicidal Fedayeen in disguised vehicles leave three dozen people dead and dozens more injured.
6/25/05    Israel    Beit Hagai    2    3    A brutal shooting attack a point-blank range on a group of Israeli teenagers, hitchhiking on a roadside, leaves a 17-year-old and a 16-year-old dead. Three others were injured. al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade take credit for the murder.
6/25/05    India    Behibagh    1    0    A female schoolteacher is killed by the Mujahideen.
6/25/05    Iraq    Mosul    5    2    Suicide bomber blows himself to Allah, taking five innocents with him.
6/25/05    Iraq    Samarrah    9    16    Suicide bomber slams into a residential neighborhood, killing nine civilians and injuring sixteen.
6/25/05    Iraq    Baghdad    5    7    Sunni insurgents mortar bomb a crowded Shia café, killing five civilians and injuring seven.
6/24/05    India    Srinigar    9    25    Nine people are killed when Islamic militants detonate a powerful car bomb at a popular tourist attraction.
6/24/05    Thailand    Yala    2    0    A man and his wife stop to remove a tree branch from the road, when they are attacked by militant Muslims, who then cut off their heads.
6/24/05    Afghanistan    Chora    3    0    The Taliban murder an election candidate and two of his bodyguards.
6/24/05    Iraq    Ramadi    13    10    Eight policemen are captured at a checkpoint by Jihadis, then executed. Two separate attacks elsewhere leave five others dead.
6/23/05    Pakistan    Karachi    2    1    Two Sunni clerics are assassinated in an attack that leaves a boy injured.
6/23/05    Pakistan    South Waziristan    4    0    Probable al-Qaeda ambush on a delivery truck leaves four people dead.
6/23/05    Iraq    Baghdad    17    60    Four more car bombs aimed at Shia civilians kill fifteen and injure over fifty in residential neighborhoods.
6/23/05    Iraq    Fallujah    4    13    A senseless attack on a U.S. Marine mail convoy kills four, including three women.
6/22/05    Thailand    Narathiwat    1    0    Muslim extremists behead a 34-year-old cloth vendor. The head is found 2km away.
6/22/05    Iraq    Baghdad    18    46    Eighteen Shiite civilians are slaughtered in three separate bombing attacks by radical Sunnis. About fifty are injured.
6/22/05    India    Bijbehara    0    17    About seventeen people, including two teenage boys are injured when the Mujahideen toss a grenade onto a road.
6/22/05    India    Nadihal    2    0    The Mujahideen abduct and kill two civilians by slashing their throats.
6/22/05    Thailand    Narathiwat    0    7    A bomb set off by Muslim extremists injures seven, including two monks and three elderly people.
6/21/05    Thailand    Pattani    3    0    Islamic militants invade a home and shoot three young volunteer teacher to death.
6/21/05    Afghanistan    Maiwand    1    1    Taliban terrorists kill the husband of an election worker.
6/21/05    Lebanon    Beirut    1    1    An anti-Syria political leader is assassinated by a car bomb in Lebanon.
6/20/05    India    Watalar    1    0    Two Harkat-ul-Mujahideen terrorists assassinate a local political figure.
6/20/05    Israel    Baqa al-Sharqiya    1    1    Palestinian snipers kill an Israeli civilian traveling in his car. His 13-year-old son is shot as well.
6/20/05    Iraq    Ebril    19    118    Three car bombs, at least one by a suicidal "holy warrior," kill eighteen people, mostly Kurds, and injure over one-hundred.
6/19/05    Israel    Gaza    1    2    The Palestinian terrorist group, Abu Rish Brigade, takes credit for an ambush on a civilian labor group that leaves an Israeli guard dead.
6/19/05    Iraq    Iskandariya    3    7    Sunni terrorists open fire on shoppers at a marketplace, killing three and injuring seven.
6/19/05    Iraq    Baghdad    23    36    A suicidal religious extremist walks into a restaurant and blows up twenty-three innocent people. Another thirty-six patrons are injured.
6/19/05    India    Dachan    1    1    The Mujahideen fire into a civilian's home, killing his 14-year-old daughter and injuring his wife.
6/19/05    Iraq    Tikrit    3    9    Fedayeen suicide bomber kills three Iraqis.
6/19/05    Afghanistan    Nad-e Ali    3    0    The Taliban machine-gun a car with three people, including a judge.
6/18/05    Iraq    Baghdad    3    0    A 10-year-old girl is killed by a bomb and two bodies are found, brutally executed.
6/18/05    Saudi Arabia    Makkah    1    0    Senior Saudi official is gunned down by Islamists outside his home.
6/17/05    Iraq    Fallujah    14    8    Fourteen Iraqis die when a suicide bomber detonates an explosives laden car on a street corner.
6/16/05    Thailand    Narathiwat    2    3    Three separate attacks in the same Thai province by militant Muslims leave two dead and three injured.
6/16/05    Iraq    Mosul    2    0    Ansar al-Sunna terrorists shoot an Iraqi judge to death, along with his driver.
6/16/05    India    Awantipora    0    15    Fifteen people, including a child and two women are injured by the splinters of a grenade thrown by the Mujahideen on a road.
6/15/05    Iraq    Ramadi    5    0    Five U.S. Marines are killed by a terrorist while riding in their vehicle.
6/15/05    Iraq    Khalis    23    28    A particularly heinous suicide bombing attack on Iraqi soldiers eating lunch at their base leaves twenty-three dead and about thirty injured.
6/15/05    Iraq    Baghdad    4    29    A suicide bomber detonates near a market, murdering four Iraqis and injuring twenty-nine others.
6/15/05    India    Chaklas    2    0    The Mujahideen assassinate a veterinarian and also set fire to another civilian's house, killing his 8-month-old daughter in the flames.
6/14/05    Afghanistan    Khost    7    0    Taliban extremists walk into a medical clinic and gun down a doctor and seven hospital workers in cold blood.
6/14/05    Iraq    Baqubah    6    4    Suicide bomber kills six Iraqis, including two children and injures four others.
6/14/05    Iraq    Kirkuk    19    89    A Fedayeen suicide bomber wades into a crowd of people shopping in a market and kills nineteen, including children, and injures about ninety others in an egregious and senseless attack.
6/13/05    Thailand    Pattani    1    1    Two Buddhist twin brothers are shot by Islamic terrorists as they are riding home from school. One dies.
6/13/05    Thailand    Narathiwat    1    3    Islamic radicals plant a bomb in a garbage truck, killing one of the workers and injuring several more.
6/13/05    India    Pulwama    13    100    At least thirteen people are slaughtered, and over one hundred injured when the Mujahideen set off a truck bomb near a school. Many schoolchildren are among the casualties.
6/12/05    Afghanistan    Kandahar    1    4    The Taliban kill a woman with a landmine. The blast injures her two children and two other women.
6/12/05    Iraq    Baghdad    3    4    Three people are killed, and at least four injured in two separate suicide blasts.
6/12/05    Russia    Uzunova    0    15    Fifteen people are injured when a bomb believed to be planted by Chechan terrorists derails a commuter train
6/11/05    Iraq    Baghdad    10    0    Ten people are slaughtered by a Sunni bomb in a Shia neighborhood, including a pregnant woman and her husband.
6/11/05    Iraq    Najaf    2    3    A bomb planted in a Shia cemetery kills two people, including an 8-year-old girl, and injures three others, all from the same family.
6/11/05    Iraq    Diyara    11    2    Jihad gunmen open fire on a bus carrying construction laborers, killing eleven in the brutal attack and injuring two.
6/11/05    Thailand    Narathiwat    1    0    Muslims murder a 49-year-old Buddhist construction worker on his way to work.
6/10/05    Iraq    Basra    2    0    A policeman and his brother are shot to death by Jihadis while riding in their car.
6/10/05    Thailand    Narathiwat    2    0    Two separate shooting attacks by Muslim militants leave two, including a Buddhist, dead.
6/9/05    Iraq    Qaim    17    0    The bodies of seventeen Iraqi Shiites are discovered bound and executed. Some were beheaded.
6/9/05    Iraq    Kirkuk    2    0    Two Iraqis are killed in a Jihad attack on their vehicle.
6/9/05    Chechnya    Tver    7    1    Seven Chechnyan police officers are killed when Mujahideen rebels fire a grenade launcher at their car.
6/9/05    Thailand    Yala    1    0    A Buddhist teenager is shot in the head by Muslim separatists.
6/9/05    Syria    Damascus    1    1    Two Syrian security force personnel are shot by religious extremists as they are attempting an arrest.
6/9/05    Iraq    Haqlaniya    5    0    Five U.S. Marines are killed in a terrorist bombing.
6/8/05    Afghanistan    Shkin    2    8    al-Qaeda terrorists shoot rockets at American soldiers unloading supplies, killing two.
6/7/05    Israel    Ganei Tal    3    0    Islamic Jihad bomb an Israeli greenhouse, killing three, including a Chinese worker.
6/7/05    Algeria    M'Sila    13    6    Militants fighting for an Islamic state kill thirteen soldiers in a bombing attack on their truck.
6/7/05    Afghanistan    Spin Boldak    2    0    Two Pakistani truck drivers are murdered by the Taliban.
6/7/05    Iraq    Hawija    18    38    Militant Sunnis kill eighteen Iraqi civilians in a series of four suicide bombings and other attacks.
6/7/05    Iraq    Habaniyah    7    0    The 'Army of Ansar al-Sunna' ambushes a civilian truck convoy and slaughters seven drivers.
6/7/05    India    Bahk-e-Hakar    1    0    A civilian is abducted from his home and beheaded by the Mujahideen.
6/6/05    Thailand    Bangkok    1    0    A 59-year-old Buddhist plantation worker is captured and beheaded by militant Muslims.
6/5/05    Iraq    Shorgat    1    3    An Iraqi soldier is killed by a suicide bomber on a motorcycle.
6/5/05    India    Bandipora    2    0    The Mujahideen abduct and kill two civilians.
6/4/05    Mauritania    Limgheiti    15    19    al-Qaeda militants attack and kill fifteen Mauritanian soldiers in a remote area. Nineteen others are injured.
6/3/05    Afghanistan    Kandahar    5    5    Five separate attacks by the Taliban, leave five people dead and at least five others injured.
6/3/05    Iraq    Balad    10    12    Ten Iraqis are slaughtered by a suicidal religious fanatic in a car bombing. Twelve more are injured.
6/3/05    Aghanistan    Tirin Kot    1    1    The Taliban invade the home of a civic educator, beat up his elderly father, then execute him.
6/2/05    Iraq    Kirkuk    4    11    A convoy of civilian contractors is targeted by a Fedayeen suicide bomber who paves his way to Paradise with at least four dead bodies.
6/2/05    Iraq    Mosul    5    13    Jihadis detonate bombs on two motorcycles parked outside a café, killing five Iraqis.
6/2/05    Iraq    Tuz Khormato    12    40    Suicidal religious extremist plows his car into a restaurant and detonates a blast that leaves at least twelve people dead, including children, and forty others maimed.
6/2/05    India    Harwan    4    1    The Mujahideen abduct and later behead four members of two families.
6/2/05    Iraq    Baqouba    4    4    Four Iraqis killed in a blast by a suicidal Sunni.
6/2/05    Iraq    Baghdad    9    0    Muslim militants fire into a crowded market from three passing cars, murdering at least nine civilians.
6/2/05    Lebanon    Beirut    1    1    Car bombing in a Christian area of the city takes the life of a journalist who oppossed Syrian hegemony.
6/1/05    Aghanistan    Lashkargah    2    5    The Taliban kill two mine-dectection crewmen in a remote-controlled blast.
6/1/05    Aghanistan    Kandahar    21    42    An al-Qaeda member wades into a crowd of mourners at a funeral for a murdered anti-Taliban cleric, killing about two dozen people and hurting dozens more.
5/31/05    Pakistan    Karachi    6    0    A mob of angry Shias take out their frustration at Sunnis on Kentucky Fried Chicken employees, killing six, including four who were burned alive.
5/31/05    Pakistan    Karachi    5    26    A suicide bombing attack at a Shia mosque kills five people and injures twenty-six.
5/31/05    Algeria    Boumerdes    2    5    The Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat ambushes a security patrol, killing two and injuring five.
5/30/05    Iraq    Baghdad    27    118    Two Fedayeen suicide bombers kill twenty-seven Iraqis. The first waded into a crowd before detonating. The second ran after the survivors, killing many of them as well.
5/29/05    Pakistan    Kani Wam    3    2    al-Qaeda suspected in ambush on Pakistani official's car that leaves three dead.
5/29/05    India    Anatnag    0    44    Forty-four people are injured in twins blasts set by Hizb-ul-Mujahideen. One went off near a post office.
5/29/05    Iraq    al-Madyen    2    8    A suicide car bomber kills two Iraqis and injures eight on his way to Paradise.
5/29/05    Iraq    Mosul    8    0    Eight civilians, including children, are blown to bits by Islamic terrorists.
5/29/05    Afghanistan    Kandahar    1    0    The Taliban stage a bold assassination on an opposition cleric, as he is leaving his office.
5/29/05    Iraq    Tuz    2    9    Jihadis kill two civilians with a car bomb outside a school. Nine others are injured.
5/28/05    Iraq    Baghdad    1    0    Islamists stab a 44-year-old Japanese hostage to death on videotape.
5/28/05    Indonesia    Sulawesi    22    60    A priest and an infant are among the nearly two dozen Christians killed when Islamic militants detonate two bombs in the center of a village. At least sixty others are injured.
5/28/05    Iraq    Sinjar    5    45    Two religious extremists kill five other people and injure at least forty more in coordinated suicide bombings.
5/27/05    Nigeria    Sokoto    1    14    Nigerian Sunnis attack a Shia political office, killing one and injuring fourteen.
5/27/05    Iraq    Tikrit    2    24    Two civilians are killed and at least two dozen others injured, some badly, in a terrorist bombing.
5/27/05    Philippines    Sulu    2    3    Abu Sayyaf militants trigger a landmine against a vehicle on a water run, killing two soldiers and inuring three others.
5/27/05    Pakistan    Islamabad    19    41    A suicide bomber blows himself up amid a crowd of mostly Shia worhippers at a Pakistani shrine. At least nineteen are killed and dozens injured.
5/26/05    Iraq    Baghdad    5    0    Jihadis attack and kill a university professor, along with three of his bodyguards. They also knife a Shiite to death elsewhere.
5/26/05    Iraq    Baghdad    3    6    Suicidal extremist kills three Iraqis and injures six with bombs hidden in a taxi.
5/25/05    Pakistan    Makin    6    0    A woman, her two sons and three daughters, are killed by a bomb planted in their home.
5/24/05    Iraq    Baghdad    6    8    Car bombing outside a girl's school kills six and injures eight.
5/23/05    India    Kashmir    3    3    In a series of overnight attacks, the Mujahideen hang a woman and shoot two other innocents to death.
5/23/05    Iraq    Tal Afar    35    25    Two suicidal religious extremists murder more than thirty people outside the house of a community leader with twin bombings.
5/23/05    Iraq    Mahmoudiya    7    22    A suicidal Sunni tries to drive his explosives-packed car into a mosque. Seven are killed and more than thirty hurt. Five killed are family members.
5/23/05    Iraq    Baghdad    10    82    Muslim extremists detonate a car bomb outside a Shiite restaurant, killing seven and injuring more then eighty. Many have serious injuries.
5/22/05    Iraq    Baghdad    2    3    Sunni radicals spray a car with automatic weapons fire, killing a top official and his driver.
5/20/05    India    Moghla    4    0    The Mujahideen ambush a security patrol from behind bushes, killing four Indian soldiers.
5/20/05    Dagestan    Makhachkala    2    2    Gema’at Sharia assassinate a government official with a powerful bomb that also kills his driver and injures two children playing nearby.
5/20/05    Iraq    Baghdad    2    3    Two civilians are killed by a suicide bomber. Three others are injured.
5/19/05    Iraq    Samarrah    2    0    In a brutal attack, Sunni gunmen kill a policeman and his elderly father as they are riding in a car.
5/19/05    Iraq    Baghdad    1    8    Suicide bomber kills an Iraqi soldier at a checkpoint. Eight others are injured.
5/19/05    Iraq    Mosul    7    3    Fedayeen gunmen attack the house of a Sunni politician, killing seven people inside the home.
5/19/05    Afghanistan    Zabul    6    0    Taliban gunmen ambush and kill six humanitarian aid workers transporting the bodies from those killed in an attack the day before.
5/18/05    Afghanstan    Helmand    0    0    A gruesome scene as an attack on a humanitarian project leaves five people dead.
5/18/05    Afghanistan    Kabul    1    0    Religious fundamentalists kill a 24-year-old woman in her home. She had been a pop music personality.
5/17/05    Algeria    Lakhdaria    3    5    Members of an al-Qaeda linked group ambush an Algerian patrol, killing three and wounding five.
5/17/05    Iraq    Dujail    6    0    Six Iraqi truck drivers are pulled from their cabs and killed by radical Sunnis.
5/17/05    India    Lohardaga    4    3    Seven family members, including women are asleep in their home when militant Muslims barge in and slit the throats of four of them while beating the rest.
5/17/05    India    Srinigar    2    17    The Mujahideen attacks a funeral of a man they murdered, killing two additional mourners and injuring seventeen.
5/16/05    Indonesia    Maluku    6    0    Five policemen and a civilian are killed by Islamic militants in Indonesia, as they were sleeping. The militants accused them of protecting a Christian village.
5/16/05    Iraq    Baghdad    3    0    Three blindfolded and bound bodies are found. Some were shot miltiple times.
5/16/05    Iraq    Aalgaya    2    2    Muslim gunmen shoot a policeman and his wife to death in their car. The attack also left their two young children badly injured.
5/15/05    Iraq    Latifiyah    6    0    Three Kuwaiti TV journalists, two Iraqi assistants and their driver are forced off the road by Jihadis then forced to kneel as their throats are cut.
5/15/05    Iraq    Baqubah    5    20    Two suicide bombers, one in a car the other following on foot, attempt an assasination. Five innocents are blown apart - another twenty badly injured.
5/15/05    Thailand    Narathiwat    1    5    After burning down in elementary school in Yala, Muslim extremists bomb a government vehicle, killing one Thai and injuring five others.
5/15/05    Algeria    Khenchela    11    0    All eleven members of a water supply convoy are blown up or machine-gunned by the Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat.
5/15/05    Iraq    Iskandariya    34    0    The bodies of thirty-four people, some in handcuffs, are found dumped in three locations. Jihadis tortured and beheaded many of them.
5/14/05    Iraq    Baghdad    4    10    Civilians are victimized by another suicidal car bomber looking for a ticket to paradise.
5/14/05    Iraq    Jurf al-Sakhar    3    0    Three beheaded corpses are found with signs of torture.
5/14/05    India    Srinigar    1    0    A businessman is gunned down by Muslim militants.
5/14/05    India    Kalakote    4    1    The Mujahideen murder a father and his three sons as they are returning from their work in a coal mine.
5/13/05    India    Sangdan    1    0    A government teacher is dragged out of a high school class and shot to death on the sidewalk by the Mujahideen.
5/13/05    Iraq    Baqubah    3    6    Fedayeen suicide bomber plows into a troop transport, killing two Iraqi soldiers and one civilian.
5/13/05    Chechnya    Ishkoi-Yurt    2    3    Islamists kill two policemen in an ambush. Three others are injured.
5/13/05    Iraq    Baiji    5    0    Car bomb kills five Iraqis.
5/12/05    India    Srinigar    2    46    The Mujahideen target a school with grenades, killing two women and injuring about fifty others, including eleven children.
5/12/05    Iraq    Baghdad    17    65    Jihad terrorists detonate a car bomb outside a market and a cinema, killing seventeen people and injuring nearly seventy, some with severe burns and internal injuries.
5/11/05    Iraq    Baghdad    4    14    Three separate Jihad attacks leave four dead and fourteen injured.
5/11/05    Iraq    Hawija    30    37    A Fedayeen straps explosives to his chest then wades into a group of unemployed civilians waiting to apply for government jobs. At least thirty are blown to bits, with another forty suffering injuries.
5/11/05    India    Srinigar    1    40    The Al-Nasreen terrorist group claims responsibility for a powerful car bombing at a busy intersection.
5/11/05    Iraq    Tikrit    27    75    A suicide car bomber swerves his vehicle into a crowd of people on a sidewalk. At least Twenty-seven are killed in the explosion.
5/10/05    Iraq    Baghdad    7    16    Seven civilians are blasted and burned to death by Fedayeen suicide car bomber on a busy street.
5/9/05    India    Chakka    3    0    The Mujahideen open fire on civilians exiting a mosque, killing three and injuring an unknown number.
5/9/05    Iraq    Baghdad    4    8    A grisly scene as a suicidal Sunni rams his car into two police vehicles, burning the occupants to death.
5/8/05    India    Kuligam-Lalpora    1    2    A 12-year-old girl is killed by a bomb that also injures her father and sister.
5/8/05    Afghanistan    Kabul    2    6    A suicide bomber in a café kills two civilians and injures six in a horrific blast.
5/7/05    Iraq    Baghdad    22    36    Suicidal Sunnis target a civilian convoy at a busy intersection. Twenty-two are killed in the blast and dozens lay injured in the circle of mutilated bodies.
5/7/05    Yeman    Sanaa    0    5    Five solider are injured when Yemeni fundamentalists throw a grenade at them from a passing car.
5/7/05    Lebanon    Jounieh    0    28    Twenty-eight people injured by a bomb set in a commercial district of a Christian town.
5/6/05    Iraq    Tikrit    7    8    A suicidal religious extremist blows his car up next to a minivan taking Iraqi police to work, killing seven and injuring eight.
5/6/05    Iraq    Suwayra    16    36    Sixteen Iraqis shopping at a marketplace are murdered by a Fedayeen, who wades into the crowd before detonating explosives strapped to his body. At least thirty-six are injured.
5/6/05    Iraq    Baghdad    14    0    Assyrian Christians are thought to be among the fourteen, bound corpses of torture victims found in a city garbage dump.
5/5/05    India    Udhampur    3    22    Mujahideen militants lob a grenade then open fire on a Hindu wedding party, killing two teenage girls (ages 15 and 17) and injuriing twenty-two others.
5/5/05    Iraq    Baghdad    22    43    Three separate attacks, including another suicide bomber at a recruitment station, leave twenty-two Iraqis dead and at least that many injured.
5/5/05    Afghanistan    Shah Wali Kot    9    3    Taliban fundamentalists ambush a military patrol with a landmine and automatic weapons, killing nine Afghans.
5/4/05    Iraq    Erbil    60    150    A Fedayeen suicide bomber walks into a crowd of Iraqi civilians standing in line to apply for jobs with the police and detonates his explosives, killing sixty and injuring about three times that number.
5/3/05    India    Pulwama    0    14    Fourteen people are injured when an Islamic terrorist lobs a grenade into the road near a bus stop.
5/3/05    India    Pattan    5    0    A political figure is assassinated by the Mujahideen, along with three civilians and a police officer.
5/2/05    Afghanistan    Shah Wali Kot    2    4    Taliban fundamentalists kill two police officers with a terrorist bomb.
5/2/05    Iraq    Mosul    23    50    Twenty-three Iraqis, including children are killed in eight car bombings by Muslim extremists. More than fifty are badly injured.
5/2/05    India    Harni    1    4    The Mujahideen attack a security patrol, killing one personnel.
5/1/05    Iraq    Baghdad    5    0    Iraqi policemen are shot to death by al-Qaeda operatives at a checkpoint.
5/1/05    Iraq    Baghdad    4    5    A Jihad car bomb kills four civilians and injures another five.
5/1/05    Israel    Tzieda    1    1    Islamic Jihad kills a 21-year-old Israeli soldier.
5/1/05    Afghanistan    Baghlan    3    0    The Taliban kill three women, at least one of whom was an aid worker.
5/1/05    Iraq    Tal Afar    25    51    A Kurdish funeral is the target of a suicidal religious fanatic, who kills at least twenty-five others and injures about fifty mourners.

Afternoon Gents,

 Attacks, Subway attacks, Car bombs, Terrorism, Individual Acts of Permanence. You don't get to wake up tomorrow and go out and play.

 What to do, what to do, how to do it, When the world was somewhat happy what was the cause..? and or effect..? Putting the world under a watchful eye isn't working, obviously, and Who's next..?

 I can't believe this is 2005 and the World is griped by individual acts of Brats..it's what it is.. any individual that puts him or herself before another in such a Circumstance is as Such, It insults what Intellect we have gathered, what constructive Civilized meaning we have.

 When temperance Starts to break down and Patience is replaced with vigilantism, It's coming by the way, Um, they will have achieved Kaos, I'm just wording this out as I see it.

 Sooner or later peaceful thinking people will reach a point whereby actions will replace Patience, I'm tired of it, the military is showing the strain of it and the world is starting to think about it...

 You cannot have a people or a will that promotes such activity on a Global scale, it will lead only to one end, sooner or later...

My Minimal intellect cannot comprehend such moves that act on innocents then preach a Martyrism. It's self obsorbed The one outways the needs of the many.

I dunno guys.

Al-Qaeda terrorists truck London once (7/7), and today 97/21) probably it's them again, making it twice.  This makes me wonder how anybody could possibly believe that the Iraq War is causing terrorists to restrict their activities to Iraq.

How did Britain's participation in the Iraq War prevent this bombing?  (Answer: it obviously did not.)

And if the Iraq War is preventing terrorist activity in the USA, then why would there be any concern whatsoever about terrorism in the USA at this time?  (Answer: the story about how "taking the war to the enemy" is keeping us from being hit again is total BS.  These terrorists plan on a long timescale - years - and they just haven't struck the USA again yet.)

All the more reason to give them something to do in their homelands. The terrorist have too much free time on their hands. Rebuilding and decontaminating their homes could keep them busy for years.

I'm a hawk,
Hoopie

Not to mention the smooth , glass-like surface in which they could build their new home on...

Their homeland?  For the 7/7 bombing, their homeland was England, and their earlier one (or their families former home) was Pakistan.  And the plan was hatched in Pakistan.  Iraq didn't even figure into it!

And they are not fixing anything anywhere - most if not all of them are dead.

Striking out in blind rage only reduces us to the same level as the terrorists.

(http://www.sacredcowburgers.com/parodies/real_islam.jpg)

Another call to strike out in blind rage.

Good, then lets end Christianity as it fits both criteria you mentioned., And based on your line of reasoning all Christian are bad. The Christians of today are the same ones who led the crusades. Condemn everyone for the actions of the few. That's the same line of reasoning that Al Queda uses.




Yeah but what is the crime ?? Subscribing to a belief system or killing some one ?? It is one thing (or at least it was when I last checked) to subscrtibe to a belief system, it is another to commit a crime in the name of that belief system.



Yes, I agree. But do you then condem the whole religion and everyone who follows it, even those who did not commit a crime ?? If your answer is yes then Christianity should have been abolished years ago and all followers of it, and countless other religions should have been hunted down and told to quit their religion or else.

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Would you care for me to post a list of terrorist actions which been carried out in the name of Islam? Sorry, Evil is NOT a religion.

Take a look at what has occurred in the last 3 months and tell me that the world needs more of this "religious freedom”:
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Let's apply some simple math to this equation. Islam is the second largest religion in the world with followers living all over the world including the United States. To outlaw Islam you'd have to wipe out an enormous number of people at home and abroad in every corner of the earth. Much like Christianity, Islam has many different factions and subgroups, sunni's etc. If the violence we see perpetrated by Islamic extremists is driven soley by religious belief that "all infidels must die" then every corner of the globe should be erupting in incredible violent turmoill. The reality however is that  the vast majority of people practicing the Islamic faith are non-violent, are not doing suicide bombings, and are peacefully co--existing with Christians, jews, Atheists, and others. They are working together and even saving the lives of non-Islamists working in hospitals as doctors, and other life saving professionals.  Perhaps then there is more to the violence we are seeing perpetrated than simply religion. Perhaps the idea of good religion/bad religion is an over simplification of a much more complex situation in which religion is being used as a scapegoat. A situation that has been building up for years and years that both the western and eastern world ignored for a very long time and is now boiled over and taking it's toll. Perhaps it might be a good idea to start looking beyond this simple good versus evil religion thing if we ever expect to  solve this terrible problem and build  a world  that our children can grow up in without having to live in fear of violence and terror.

And the plan was hatched in Pakistan................next target, bombs away.

Yes, I'm a hawk
Someone bring me the football and the codes

Hoopie,

Very good, Hoopie.  You just bombed an ally!

Pakistan is a nuclear power, its government is friendly to the USA, and the Pakistani government is pursuing the terrorists the best they can, given the US sabotage of their work.

The Pakistanis have been working diligently with US and British authorities to track down the leads the Pakistanis found in the computer of Mohammed Naeem Noor Khan, a former al-Qaeda operative who was captured in 2004 and convinced to serve as a mole (a double agent).  Unfortunately, the Bush administration then proceeded to leak Khan's identity, forcing British authorities to make a frantic grab of whoever they could, since their operation was not complete.  In fact, that leak probably allowed the 7/7 and the 7/21 bombing attacks to succeed.  And it was a US leak.

http://photodude.com/article/2483/wrath-over-khan

You bombed an ally.  I submit that you know nothing about conducting a war on terror.  Your angry knee-jerk reflex would cut down our allies, and throw gasoline on the fire.  You need to stop and think.

bruce,
         there will be no end times, unless we screw with china or whats
left of the ussr arsenal. terrorists might pop off a nuke in a city or two.
bar that, an asteroid. or a plague maybe.  but the earth will be here for
a long time.  my super religious buddy said we were doomed
2000, christ was coming 2000. I told him the sun will come up jan 1 2000
it did . .  rest easy. btw, are you one of the earth-is-only-10000 +- years old believers?

On tonight ABC news, Mussariff admitted 50% of his nation supports Osama. If he had Osama in his hands, would he turn him over to the U.S.? The answer was a political NO! Yes we do have strange allies, Bacon.

I'd rather not try to appease another Hitler. Bombs away. Batter up, who wants to be next?

I'm a hawk
Hoopie

Well Dean, at some point the world is going to end.
All things come to an end, its just the way nature works.
But unlike your friend I don't know the day, actually I don't think anyone on earth knows the exact day.

However, if the Islamists manage to "pop off a nuke in a city or two", I don't think that this country will just walk away from licking our wounds.
I believe it will begin the slippery slope. This nation went into two wars over 9/11. A nuke or WMD discharged in NYC, Chicago or LA would bring an even greater response, most likely nuclear. I believe our President stated the nuclear option was on the table just a few years ago.

I see this as pretty simply, its Islam vs the Judeo-Christian world, and brother you and I are right in the crosshairs.
Its a struggle which has been going on for thousands of years but has now escalated to a higher level with the Islamic equalivent of Hitler.

In response to your question, I'm not sure that I know the exact age of the earth, where did the age you reference come from?


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"A political NO" - what is that supposed to mean?

I didn't see the ABC show, but you know, Musharraf turned over Abu Faraj Farj al Liby (bin Laden's former #3 man) in May of this year.  That takes a lot of guts, if 50% of his nation supports bin Laden.  Why wouldn't he turn over bin Laden (if he caught him)?

I think you just want to lash out, and you don't care where.  Bomb somebody!  That's exactly the kind of thinking that got us into the Iraq War, and left bin Laden out running free, in the first place.  We can do better.

Pakistan does a good job... except when the USA leaked their informant's name.  I am beginning to suspect that the reason they can't seem to find bin Laden is because Bush doesn't WANT them to.

 Islam is the second largest religion in the world, Islamic followers live in every country in every corner of the globe including the United States and throughout England  and Western Europe.. Viewing all Islamists as the enemy and taking them by force likely means fighting in all corners of the globe and probably would druive us into total bankruptcy within very short order, not to mention bin laden and his band of extremists would probably have  added followers... What';s the point ??  Only way to win is to work with those whom you have on your side and try and convince them not to buy into the rhetoric of a minority of extremists and focusing on neutralizing the fanatical hatemongers behing the attacks.  Thus far thats not the direction we're going. Attacking Iraq instead of focusing on neutralizing bin-laden. I

John, you are an intelligent man, you must be kidding, right?
You can't negotiate with Evil; you can't cut deals with the Devil.

If World War II taught us anything, it is that appeasement does not work with fanatics.
Chamberlain made deal after deal with Hitler (our present day Bin Laden) only to have them broken time and again.

The parallels between Nazism and modern Islamic extremists are striking.
Both seek world domination and imposition of a one world government.
Both seek the installation of a central leader, in my biblical view the “Anti-Christ”.
Both are intolerant of any other faith and actively seek to kill Jews and “Infidels”.
Both are willing, even eager, to employ methods of mass murder to reach those goals.
Finally, both have Evil at their core.
Please tell me how you work with that John?

Just as every German was not a Nazi, so I see that every Arab is not a Islamic savage. However, you must destroy the system and those who lead it in order to save the people. I think we agree on at least that much.

What Churchill called “The Gathering Storm” in the 1930s has its later day equivalent in Islam. I wager if he were alive he would see the same problem, and the same answer. People taught Churchill had it wrong as well, it was only when it was almost too late, almost all of Europe was overrun, that they realized how right he was. Would you wait, cutting deals, trying to wage peace until the bombers are at your door?

You can not run from Evil, you must turn and face it directly and fight.
And you must fight to win. Our entire Western World, all that we hold dear – life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness - are under attack by these savages.

Once again, if World War II taught us anything, it is to take the fight to the enemy rather than wager war on the homefront. I believe that is precisely what our President is doing.

Would you want to see the devastation currently in London, Israel and Baghdad on American streets?

John, I don't hold out a hope of convincing you, I'll let the Islamists do that job for me.

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Well Bacon, for the sake of our generation I hope you and Neville can do better. We are counting on you, man.

I'm a hawk,

Hoopie

You gonna go fight that war yourself, Hoopie?  Because RAND says US forces are stretched too thin already with just Afghanistan and Iraq.

The Pakistani government is doing what they can.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4706415.stm

Nuke the middle east to glass?  And waste all that great oil?  No way!  Nooooo, we have to spread democracy or something.  Don't worry, Karl Rove will come up with this week's talking points.

Previous talking points, now abandoned:
Osama #1 priority
WMD
al-Qaeda connections
Iraq-Niger uranium
freeing the Iraqi people
spreading democracy
world better off without Saddam
US safe because of taking the war to the enemy

[People are  genuinly frightened and frankly I can't blame them. We are finding ourselves living in a world that just ten short years ago nobody ever imagined.  Bacon,  when I first got my  ticket and started getting on AM you were one of my very first AM contacts. That was on around 1988 or 1989. In those days I would never have dreamed we'd be living in a world  where the entire world trade center was destroyed, where subways in London are bombed, where we live under the constant threat of terror, and where there would be constant surveillance,. searches and interrogation of people simply travelling to work on the subway, where police resources would be stretched not for fighting the usual everyday crime, but for  looking for some unknown fanatic.   The world sure has changed a lot in such a short time and it is scary. Especially  for those who have children. What is  their world going to be like for them ?? And no politicians seem to be able to provide an answer nor  much reassurance.  We hear statements about strong resolve anout fighting the war over therer  instead of here of getting rid  of Saddam, yet  the "mastermind" bin-laden remains free, we hear  that Iraq didn;t have the WMD's and the Yellowcake from Nigeria, and the barbaric cowardly attacks continue.  People leave  their homes in the morning woindering if they'll get home at night. It's a very  frightening world.  No doubt we have some serious challenges and problems that need to be solved. Simply  turning the middle east into Trinitite is not likely  going to solve this mess. We need leadership who can make a real  difference.

Hey John, care to share the "religon" of the people who have comitted all of the crimes which you have mentioned? The "faith" of the folks who murdered all of those innocents?

You might find the answer to your question there.
I'll give you a hint, I'm pretty sure its not the Baptists or Presbyterian.

Yeah, and over in the middle east they say something similar, but the hated religion is different.  Outside empires came in and installed crooked governments, and Christians came in and installed crooked governments too.  The USA overthrew a democratically elected government in Iran, and installed the Shah.  After a while, they don't like that stuff over there.

And it's interesting who the troublemakers turn out to be.  Noriega - a US stooge.  Saddam Hussein - a former US stooge who was paid off to harrass the Iranians after their 1979 revolution and kidnapping of the US embassy personnel.  (Shake hands wth Mr. Rumsfeld, Saddam.)  Osama bin Laden - a US proxy holy warrior fighting against the former Soviet Union in Afghanistan.

Maybe our foreign policy does have something to do with it?  Hmmmm?

Bruce,
       that figure is a rough number, that many of the extremely religious
christians believe is how old the earth is.  (10,000 to 15,000 old or some such)  I got into a conversation on a plane flight, with a minister over it.
I argued well,, coal mines, oil, grand canyon, and finally the light from
the stars one the other side of the galaxy (let alone other galaxies) had
taken 100k light years to get to us. he still believed the in the 10-15k
time for the universe. so I asked why would god make it LOOK like the earth + stars were millions of years old, to trick us? the guy didn't have an answer. I'm not sure why this is an hot issue for some of them.

       as to the end days, we have 5 billion years left in the sun. after
that no more earth. long before that we stand a good chance of
being wiped out by an asteroid. long before that, mankind stands a better
chance wiping himselve out with nukes, creating a killer virus,
or simply running out of oxygen.

      as to the devil being the cause of world woes, one can certainly
put that word to it, whether he exists or not, devilishness is a mindset.

Bruce, I have a distaste for ALL religion. I would like to see people dump religion altogether and base their lives in more tangible things. But I realize that is not going to happen. So  I have to respect that some people chose a religion and via that religion they follow God.  Nor am I going to condemn any one religion because of the actions of a few much as I am not going to condemn all Christians because of the Crusades or for burning innocent people at the stake or for blowing up abortion clinics. I realize that the actions of a few crazed fanatics does not speak for everyone.  Any religion can become the presumed basis for evil actions. History has provent this to be true.  Consider the terrosist actions oif the IRA that have occurred over many many years. Does that mean that all Catholics are evil people and that Catholicism is the basis for IRA violence and all Catholics are potential IRA terrorists ?? Does it mean all Irish people are evil ?? Please, we can't form these over simplifications and broad sweeping generalizations.

Yes, we do have a serious problem on our hands and yes, many of it's perpetrators appear to be Islamic fundimentalist or are at least using Islamic fundimentalism as part of the lame excuse for their actions.  we need to solve this probelm. Simplifying matters by claiming it is all caused by some "evil" religion is not going to solve anything.

Deano, thanks for a logical and scientifically based synopsis of the "end of the earth" question. Science is the only tangible path we have towards gaining knowledge of our world and the Universe around us.

Hi Dean,

I have never heard that date or age stated, nor to my knowledge is it in the bible. I do believe that God created the earth, just not sure of the exact date, I'll find out someday.

Yes, I do agree with you that devilishness is a mindset, but it is also a very real thing. I can think of no other word than Evil for the actions which have been the topic of this thread. All too often I find that people seem to think "Evil" is not a PC word, it is real and it exists.

And I agree with you once again about your observances of mankind's ability to wipe himself out, seems we do more wiping than building as of late.

Cheers,
Bruce


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Hi John, Bruce
         tx for the kind words. science probably isn't the only path.  Bruce is right, we have a set of principles to live by.  That is why I took the its-ok-to have the ten commandments in court buildings position. taking god
out doesn't diminish the words.  life ends, the world will end. live for
something of value in your time.
         bill kc2ifr said it best,, if you need the 10 commandments posted to behave, then there is something wrong with you!

John, I think you may have misread my earlier post.
Unlike Islam, I do not see a religion which vocally supported the IRA actions, no cheering or applause from the sidelines. As for the Crusades, the history of the Crusades is one of Western Christian reaction to Muslim advances in Europe. The Crusades were no more offensive than was the American invasion of Normandy.

But let's leave ancient history aside, and deal with what is going on today.
The Islamic world by and large supports the actions of the terrorists, of that you can not argue.

One thing that I want to make clear, and if you reread my earlier post you will see this point, I don't have a problem at all with the Arab people, what I have a problem with is what Islam does to them.

Example, not all Germans, or not all Nazis for that matter, worked in concentration camps. Just as not all Muslims commit terrorists’ actions.
The problem is the ideology, not the people.

Why was Nazism not allowed to stand after the Second World War?
Because it was an evil idea that lead good people into bad actions.
I submit to you that Islam is exactly the same.
Again, I repeat an earlier point; the goals of Nazism and Islam are very, very close. I won't reiterate the points again here.

Yes, we can not kill all Arabs, it would be both foolish and wrong.
But we can and must kill the concepts of Islam which lead to destructive behavior if the civilized world is to survive. It is much easier to destroy one Evil idea than to destroy millions of people.

John, I know that you are a good guy and are compassionate to those of the underclass, that’s a trait of a good liberal, and I respect you for that.
I myself am a realist; things are much more black and white for me. I see Islam as a far greater threat than the former Soviet Union ever was. What  has failed to be pointed out is that Islam is not so much a relgion as it is a form of goverment. The state goal of Islam is to establish Islamic one world goverment.





"Many"? Try ALL John. Aside from a few isolated nutjobs, the main source of terrorist action from the 1990s to currnent has been Islam. You don't have the Swiss, Swedes or Catholic nuns blowing up airplanes, murdering schoolchildren or blowing up buses. Please take a few minutes and look back at Islamic terrorism over just the last 3 years, nearly 5,000 incidents of murder and destruction.

I tell you; Islam is going to make Nazism look mild. Heck it already does, at least the Germans were controlled and private about their mass murder, the Islamists do not care who or where they kill. Indeed they take pride and publish the photos...with little or no outcry from the Islamic world.

Again, Nazism was only recognized as a clear Evil after it was almost too late. If we keep up the “politically correct” game of pretend and continue to label Islam a "Religion of Peace" we are just lying to ourselves and will lose that which we hold most dear.

I compare the nature of radical Islam to cancer, you can pretend it does not exist, call it a polite name and ignore it, but it is insidious and keeps growing and destroying healthy living things.

The Gathering Storm is on the horizon...and it will be here much sooner than you expect.



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Police now say the man shot to death in London was 'unconnected' to the blasts.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8655541/

Earlier witnesses stated wires were protruding from his coat, temperature in the 70's. Got to wonder which is the mis-information, the wires or no connection to the blast.

Tonights reports also stated, Menezes, the victim spoke english well, was an electrician, and left a house that was under surveillance.

London is not the place to walk around with wire protruding from your clothing and if asked to stop and raise your hands...........

No doubt the brits aren't playing games, same amount of paper work for the police if they pull the trigger once or five times.

Hoopie,

Yeah, and the same over reactive mentality might get you, I or a family member killed. . Hey.that HT looks suspicious...BLAMMMMM!!!  Hey, what's that antenna...BLAMMMM!! What kinda wire's that in your trunk.... BLAMMM BLAMMMM  !!!  Why are  you  dressed like that on a warm day...BLAMMM !! BLAMM !! BLAMMM !!  Being wary of terrorism doesn'tmean sacraficing our lives.

The thing is, the guy was shot on Friday.  The earlier reports about wires protruding from clothing was about one of the four bombers from Thursday, who probably -did- have wires protruding from their clothing, to detonate the bombs they carried.  But the bombs fizzled, probably leaving the detonator wires hanging loose as the surprised bombers found not seventy virgins, but hundreds of angry people facing them.  That was Thursday 7/21, mid-day.

On Friday morning, some fellow came out of a house that was being watched, and headed toward the train station.  Strangely, he was wearing a heavy coat on the warm day.  Plainclothes police followed him, and when he turned into the subway station, he jumped the turnstile.  The police chased him and ordered him to stop.  He did not stop; he ran.  The reports I saw said that police knocked him down and shot him multiple times in the head.

Now, what would one expect?  If indeed the guy was carrying a bomb, he could detonate it.  The orders were to shoot to kill, and shoot for the head, to minimize the probability of the bomber or the bullets detonating the bomb.  And you have to figure the police were afraid for their lives as well.  Wouldn't you be?  You're chasing some guy in a coat on a warm day, who you have been watching because of the bombings, and then he goes into the subway, jumps the turnstile, and runs... wouldn't you figure there was a good chance that he had a bomb, and that he would detonate it, and take you out with him, if he could?

So, what were the police supposed to do?  The guy was already a suspect, then he showed up in a coat, which was inapproproate unless he was carrying a bomb, then he went into a subway, and jumped the turnstile, and then he ran, instead of stopping when ordered to stop.

OK, so he turned out to be some kind of a nutcase, wearing a heavy coat when it was warm outside.  I read no reports about any wires protruding from his clothing.  Maybe he ran because he had jumped the turnstile.  Who knows.

I think that any reports about protruding wires were from the Thursday bombing.

You guilty of something John? Why so jumpy? Whata bin do'en in ur spare time?

From what  I heard he was pretty much stop[ped at the point they pumped the bullets into him. Jumping a turnstile was never a crime that people got shot for. Wearing a coat on a warm day was to my knowledge never a crime.  Regardless of whether or not the police were right or wrong things are in a frenzy. The slightest  thing can get you stopped arrested  and shot. What's next, people are to be required to walk backward, naked, and with their hands in the air.  What were once relatively free societies are quiclky becoming police states  which is exactly  what the enemy was hoping for.

Evening Gents,

 I do see that the muslims of UK have issued a Fatwa in response to the bombings and a few associated opinions but even they know or lost on how to quell this extremism showing it's ugly face.

 On the other hand i seen in Pakistan the clerics are trying to explain "Jihad" and expressing anguish on young extremists, quoted 'an angry young man is in no ones control"..

a "Jihad" is issued on the Following:

 If a Muslim community comes under attack, then jihad becomes an obligation for all muslims, male and female in that community.

 If that particular community feels it cannot fight off attackers on it's own, then jihad becomes incumbent on muslims living in nearby communities.

 If a muslim ruler of a country calls for jihad, then it is incumbent upon the muslims living under that ruler to join the jihad.

Here's the article:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4711003.stm

So we're dealing with a mess here and so are they, muslims are becoming aware of the tide turning on them.

He was knocked down, but he could still have activated a bomb, if he had been carrying one under that coat.  Bullets to the body could trigger the bomb, if he had one.  So they shoot for the head.

It was a whole string of things... you don't go walking on a warm day in a heavy coat, then go into a subway and jump a turnstile and then run when told to stop, when people are carrying bombs to kill and maim, and just did it en masse the day before.  It's a shame that a freak streak of bad choices got him killed, but the probability that he was another suicide bomber was getting really difficult to ignore.

Kind of reminds me of the Israeli outpost somewhere way back when, and the orders were not to shoot, but this truck was speeding toward the gate.  It was obvious to the guard what was happening, so he finally disobeyed orders and started shooting.  It was a truck bomb, all right, and it really messed that guard up.  But he stopped it.

It's a matter of probability.  Do we go to war with anybody wearing a head-dress?  No.  Do we unilaterally nuke any country where people are of a certain religion?  No.  But do we challenge a highly suspicious person going into public transit, who is wearing inappropriate clothing that could well be hiding a bomb?  Yes - in London, in July 2005.  And if that person flees into the target zone... he could get killed, because that's what it takes to stop such a bomber.  Not that the person is necessarily a bomber, but in London, in July 2005, the probability and the hazard are getting unacceptably high at that point.

Do we have reason to suspect that such a person might be such a bomber?  In London, in July 2005, yes, we do.  But is this sufficient to be probable cause to kill?  No, not if the person is not in the target area.  But yes, unfortunately, in London, in July of 2005, if that person flees into a target area when challenged.  And this guy had gotten into the crowd, and we have their descriptions of the event.

You know, if you disobey a lawful order, police may well pull their guns.  Do it wearing a heavy coat in a subway, and you could get killed.  Where this is going to get -really- hairy, is in the wintertime.

Sort of befitting but in a totally different rhyme:

 there's something happening here,
 what it is ain't exactly clear,
 there's a man with a gun over there,
 a tellen me i got to beware,
 i think it's time we stopped, children, what's that sound,
 everybody look what's going down,

or Time.

 
Ok Buffalo Springfield, we get the point :p

What's the alternative?  Eight bombings in two weeks, and that's just in London.  If nothing is done, it will happen several times every day.  We will not permit that, because we are not cattle.  There are going to be problems, but the alternative is worse.

We are not heeding the calls to mindless jihad ourselves, which speaks well of us.  But we have to act against obvious threats.  We are not cattle.

And may we ask ourselves:

  How many times must the cannon balls fly
  Before  they are forever  banned.
  The answer my friend
  Is blowing in the wind
  The answer,
   Is blowing
   in the
   wind...


Sorry, I just HAD to post that.

Somewhere i seen the entry age upped from 35 to 40, or 40 something, what the hell is a 40 year old man going to do on the battlefield, run out of air.?

All this parcipitates Globolization, one infestation uprooting another.

Dialectics anyone?

Lets put religion aside for a moment, and see what we actually have:

A very large group of murdering maniacs who have stated that their only purpose is to kill as many American men women and children as possible.

A very large group of murdering maniacs that has committed these atrocities long before Bush and Blair got into office.

A very large group of murdering maniacs that is supported, funded and protected by two or three Middle Eastern nations.

A very large group of murdering maniacs who (in light of past practice) can be assumed to continue this evil.

An attacked country (USA) that is so stuck on political correctness  that it won't really retaliate and end this once and for all.

An attacked country (USA) that has the means to totally obliterate any country that supports, funds and protects these monsters.

The question is simple... how long will we wait to get up and REALLY fight back...


I vented, and feel so much better.

73,

Lets put religion aside for a moment, and see what we actually have:

A very large group of murdering maniacs who have stated that their only purpose is to kill as many American men women and children as possible.

A very large group of murdering maniacs that has committed these atrocities long before Bush and Blair got into office.

A very large group of murdering maniacs that is supported, funded and protected by two or three Middle Eastern nations.

A very large group of murdering maniacs who (in light of past practice) can be assumed to continue this evil.

An attacked country (USA) that is so stuck on political correctness  that it won't really retaliate and end this once and for all.

An attacked country (USA) that has the means to totally obliterate any country that supports, funds and protects these monsters.

The question is simple... how long will we wait to get up and REALLY fight back...


I vented, and feel so much better.

73, KM1R

Well I think you're lumping a lot of people in with the extremists who commit these crimes.

Perhaps it was this mistake in thinking that caused the Bush administration to abandon the pursuit of bin Laden, and turn to Iraq, in order to chase WMD, yellowcake uranium deals, and al-Qaeda connections, that did not exist.

But now, we are mired in Iraq, bin Laden is still active, terrorism is on the rise Iraq and and all over the world, and al-Qaeda is striking London with impunity.

Clearly, this idea of forgetting bin Laden and going after Iraq did not work.  Maybe we should return to the original plan: bin Laden being the #1 priority.  What ever happened to that plan, anyway?  Bush seemed to forget all about it pretty quickly, didn't he?  Strange, and not so good, huh?

Liberty or death, what we so proudly hail
Once you provoke her, rattling of her tail
Never begins it, never, but once engaged...
Never surrenders, showing the fangs of rage

Don’t tread on me

So be it
Threaten no more
To secure peace is to prepare for war
So be it
Settle the score
Touch me again for the words that you’ll hear evermore...

Don’t tread on me

Love it or live it, she with the deadly bite
Quick is the blue tongue, forked as lighting strike
Shining with brightness, always on surveillance
The eyes, they never close, emblem of vigilance

Don’t tread on me

So be it
Threaten no more
To secure peace is to prepare for war
So be it
Settle the score
Touch me again for the words that you’ll hear evermore...

Don’t tread on me

So be it
Threaten no more
To secure peace is to prepare for war

Liberty or death, what we so proudly hail
Once you provoke her, rattling on her tail

So be it
Threaten no more
To secure peace is to prepare for war
So be it
Settle the score
Touch me again for the words that you’ll hear evermore...

Don’t tread on me

"Nuclear arms in the Middle East
Israel is attacking the Iraqis
The Syrians are mad at the Lebanese
And Baghdad does whatever she please
Looks like another threat to world peace
For the envoy"

(Warren Zevon)