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Title: Vibration Isolators
Post by: KD1SH on October 22, 2024, 11:08:42 AM
  The 12v Harbor Fright winch on my tower has served me well for years, but like most 12v brush type motors spinning an array of planetary gears, it screams like a banshee. Mounted solidly to the bracket on the tower, which is in turn mounted to a bracket on the side of the house, the high frequency vibrations from the winch are transferred directly into the tower, turning the side of my house into a sounding board. I very rarely leave the tower extended when I'm not using it. My wife goes to bed earlier than I do most of the time, and after an evening on the air with the tower raised, lowering it again often wakes her in a panic, heart pounding—the noise inside the house really is horrendous—and me feeling terrible.
  I am blessed with a wonderful wife, very understanding and approving of my radio hobby; she even goes to hamfests with me, gets along great with my radio friends, and couldn't care less what I bring home from hamfests, as long as she's not tripping over it on the living room floor. So, the last time my winch rudely shattered her sleep, I told myself I wouldn't raise the tower again until I found some way to quiet it.
  Here's my solution, and it works amazingly well. The noise inside the house is reduced by probably 75%, and I can barely hear it at all from the shack. Happy wife—happy life.
These are the isolators I used:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B009M97ISW?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_fed_asin_title
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B006GBLYIO?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_fed_asin_title
  Two steel plates, wider than the footprint of the winch to distribute the load more evenly, and of course a handful of nuts, bolts, and washers completed the installation.


Title: Re: Vibration Isolators
Post by: W7TFO on October 23, 2024, 09:16:42 AM
Good job there.

I hear you (and them) about planetary winches, noisy beasts.

73DG


Title: Re: Vibration Isolators
Post by: W1ITT on October 23, 2024, 01:19:26 PM
Sorbothane is wondrous stuff.  I have had insoles that were made from it and they made life working on concrete floors more tolerable.  But the material degrades over a long period of time, and I am told that there are different formulations, some of which may be susceptible to UV degradation in your application.
It's good enough that, if it got tired, I'd replace it with more of the same.
73 de Norm W1ITT


Title: Re: Vibration Isolators
Post by: KD1SH on October 23, 2024, 01:25:21 PM
  A few more technical details for anyone who might contemplate a similar project:
  Many vibration mounts, complete with threaded studs or receptacles inserted into the rubber, are available, but these are almost exclusively designed for compression loads only, rather than tension. Since the winch would be pulling downward on the cable, the resulting force on those mounts would be tension in the upward direction, working to pull the isolators apart.
  In my design, the holes in both plates are 1/2"—oversized for the 5/16" bolts that pass through them—with the smaller Sorbothane isolators, which have a minor outside diameter of 1/2", inserted into the holes, to completely isolate each bolt from any contact with the plate. The larger diameter Sorbothane isolators between the plates are under compression, as are the ones underneath the bottom plate, bearing the full upward load when the winch is pulling on the cable.
  Before I even actuated the winch for the first trial run, I could tell that it was going to work: rapping on the winch with my wrench, which normally resulted in a ringing, reverberating "clang, clang," just as if I'd rapped on the tower itself, now resulted in a dead sounding "thunk, thunk,"—no sound or vibration being coupled into the tower at all. Success!


Title: Re: Vibration Isolators
Post by: KD1SH on October 23, 2024, 01:38:47 PM
  Yes, I've already ordered more, just in case they degrade. UV probably won't be much of an issue, since the tower is on the north facing side of the house, with about a 10" eave overhang, so it's pretty much perpetual shade there, even at noon in summer. I'm wondering if extreme cold in our Northeast winters will stiffen them enough to reduce their effectiveness?
  Sorbothane is indeed nifty stuff; very soft and gummy feeling, and oddly sticky on the fingers. If my tower were heavier, I'd probably need to use a stiffer durometer material, since the compression load would probably squash these to the point where their performance would diminish. It's a light duty three-section tower; the combined weight of the two moving sections is probably less than a hundred pounds.

Sorbothane is wondrous stuff.  I have had insoles that were made from it and they made life working on concrete floors more tolerable.  But the material degrades over a long period of time, and I am told that there are different formulations, some of which may be susceptible to UV degradation in your application.
It's good enough that, if it got tired, I'd replace it with more of the same.
73 de Norm W1ITT


Title: Re: Vibration Isolators
Post by: WBear2GCR on November 12, 2024, 02:38:53 PM
A few points to consider?

The bottom nuts - use two, locked to each other, and the lower one being a self locking type.
Vibration is the enemy. Extrusion of the threads = disaster.

(edit, looks like the nuts are the locking type...)

The bolts ought to be "grade 8"...


Title: Re: Vibration Isolators
Post by: KD1SH on November 12, 2024, 04:24:43 PM
Yes indeed, the nuts are "nyloc" types.

A few points to consider?

The bottom nuts - use two, locked to each other, and the lower one being a self locking type.
Vibration is the enemy. Extrusion of the threads = disaster.

(edit, looks like the nuts are the locking type...)

The bolts ought to be "grade 8"...
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