Title: Pi network component ratings Post by: KK7UV on September 10, 2022, 01:00:02 PM Moving along on the 813 transmitter project here (pair modulating a pair, ala K1JJ et al)....
Before I start drilling the pi network/output tank deck I need a sanity check on component ratings. Target operation is 2000v, 250mA, 500w input, 375w output, and so a 4000 ohm plate load and Class C. I have Tonne's PI-EL design software, which will calculate Vpk and Arms for each tank component, but I need to enter the PEAK PLATE SWING. For CW or unmodulated carrier I presume this is just 2000v ? But what do I enter for PEAK PLATE SWING under 100% modulation? Is it 4000v? Thanks, Steve Title: Re: Pi network component ratings Post by: DMOD on September 10, 2022, 10:09:01 PM RMS Plate or Vrms = sqrt(4000ohmsX375Watts) = 1,225Vrms or 1,732Vpeak
Power at 100% Modulation = 1.5X375Watts resting carrier = 562.5Watts Vrms = sqrt(4,000ohmsX562.5Watts) = 1,500Vrms or 2,121Vpeak Minimum DC blocking/RF Coupling cap value should be >> 2,000Vdc+2,121Vp RF or ~ 7.5 kV. How is Tonne defining "Peak Plate Swing?" Phil Title: Re: Pi network component ratings Post by: KK7UV on September 11, 2022, 07:08:04 AM Thanks Phil. That is helpful.
Tonne supplies the attached diagram for peak plate swing, but I guess you'd have to derive the value using tube graphs and formulas. Title: Re: Pi network component ratings Post by: KA2DZT on September 11, 2022, 04:11:47 PM I think the peak DC plate voltage would be twice the DC supply voltage with 100% plate modulation. I also think the RF peak voltage would be 4 times the DC plate voltage. Been a while since I looked at all this so I might be wrong.
Fred Title: Re: Pi network component ratings Post by: K8DI on September 11, 2022, 09:13:10 PM If you experiment with the Tonne software, you’ll find that doubling the plate volts doubles the RF voltage. At 100% modulation, plate voltage is doubled. So is current. Whatever it says for carrier, double the numbers and those will be the 100% modulated numbers…
Ed Title: Re: Pi network component ratings Post by: KD6VXI on September 12, 2022, 06:51:34 AM I've used Jim's software before. Works out pretty good, just need to account for strays. AMfone - Dedicated to Amplitude Modulation on the Amateur Radio Bands
I used the G3SEK spreadsheet more. It allows for more granular input of strays, etc. Both good, get you where you need to be. The G3SEK spreadsheet needs a spreadsheet installed. Cool thing is, Google sheets works fine, so it will run on the phone! --Shane WP2ASS / ex KD6VXI |