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Title: BitScope Mini
Post by: ka1tdq on August 05, 2020, 07:36:56 PM
This just arrived today and I couldn't believe how small it was. This is an oscilloscope for the computer. I bought the optional 2-channel BNC plug-in adapter. My goal was to be able to monitor my drain waveforms while transmitting rather than having a clunky oscope sitting on the desk.

The good thing about this company is that they support Windows, Mac and Linux software packages. I was able to load the Mac and Ubuntu (Linux) versions of the software without any problems. I'm sure Windows would be just as easy.

Total cost was $325 shipped from Australia and it got here really quick!

Jon


Title: Re: BitScope Mini
Post by: KA3EKH on August 05, 2020, 09:28:18 PM
The last ten years I have been only using digital scopes and spectrum analyzers, biggest complain I have with a lot of the Tektronix scopes is that you have to do things like use the driving audio source as an external trigger when looking at things like AM modulation. Without a good external trigger source the A to D converters get wonky displaying complex waveforms, looking at sine, square and digital pulses is all good but modulated RF can be tricky. The old vacuum tube bottles never had that issue but today digital is the ďstate of the artĒ.
The other thing I just canít seam to wrap my head around is why when I look at AM and sideband signals on a SDR they appear so much cleaner then a spectrum analyzers? I can do things like look at occupied bandwidth for a AM broadcast station on a SDR and clearly see the effects or fall off of the NRSC filter as a sharp drop that looks like what it supposed to but never such a clean trace on a regular spectrum analyzer. I have a HP ESA-1500 thatís clean but still donít display things like two tone SSB signals as well as a Flex.



Title: Re: BitScope Mini
Post by: nq5t on August 05, 2020, 09:41:32 PM
Looks like a really interesting product.  Unfortunately, they don't seem to have 64-bit Mac software available.  32-bit versions won't run on the latest macOS releases.

I dropped them an email inquiring about it.


Title: Re: BitScope Mini
Post by: ka1tdq on August 05, 2020, 11:43:17 PM
I actually did question them about their software packages before I bought it because it looked really outdated and limited. They're going to release new versions within a couple weeks, but did give me a trial version to run in the meantime for Mac.

I'm not a software kind of guy, so what I just said is the limit of my knowledge with that stuff. All I care about is seeing simple waveforms around 4 MHz. If it works, hooray!

Jon


Title: Re: BitScope Mini
Post by: nq5t on August 06, 2020, 12:27:41 AM
I actually did question them about their software packages before I bought it because it looked really outdated and limited. They're going to release new versions within a couple weeks, but did give me a trial version to run in the meantime for Mac. Jon

Thanks.  I just got a response from them also, with links to the betas for 64-bit macOS.  And they did say production versions should be available at the end of the month. 


Title: Re: BitScope Mini
Post by: Tom WA3KLR on August 06, 2020, 01:22:07 PM
Here's a cheap small stand-alone 5 MHz digital scope - 5 MHz, 20 MS, 40 k memory , about $47.  Available from Amazon and ebay also.  I don't have one.

https://www.banggood.com/DANIU-ADS2050H-ADS2031H-Handheld-Oscilloscope-High-Precision-5MHz-Bandwidth-20M-Sampling-Rate-2_4-Inch-LCD-Screen-One-Key-Auto-Built-in-Lithium-Battery-p-1426883.html?rmmds=category&ID=6268971&cur_warehouse=USA


Title: Re: BitScope Mini
Post by: Steve - K4HX on August 06, 2020, 02:59:53 PM
What is the resolution bandwidth on your analog SA? How does it compare to the SDR?



The last ten years I have been only using digital scopes and spectrum analyzers, biggest complain I have with a lot of the Tektronix scopes is that you have to do things like use the driving audio source as an external trigger when looking at things like AM modulation. Without a good external trigger source the A to D converters get wonky displaying complex waveforms, looking at sine, square and digital pulses is all good but modulated RF can be tricky. The old vacuum tube bottles never had that issue but today digital is the ďstate of the artĒ.
The other thing I just canít seam to wrap my head around is why when I look at AM and sideband signals on a SDR they appear so much cleaner then a spectrum analyzers? I can do things like look at occupied bandwidth for a AM broadcast station on a SDR and clearly see the effects or fall off of the NRSC filter as a sharp drop that looks like what it supposed to but never such a clean trace on a regular spectrum analyzer. I have a HP ESA-1500 thatís clean but still donít display things like two tone SSB signals as well as a Flex.




Title: Re: BitScope Mini
Post by: KA3EKH on August 07, 2020, 01:58:55 PM
The resolution Bandwidth is adjustable from 3.0 MHz down to 1.0 KHz, Video Bandwidth can be set to anywhere between 3.0 MHz down to 1.0 Hz with the ratio being any number you want. Itís all menu driven.
I use it all the time at work to check occupied bandwidth, spurious and things like that and itís a great box but when I bring it back into the shop and use it for looking at the outputs of SSB transmitters just cannot get it to do as nice an image as the Flex box shows.


Title: Re: BitScope Mini
Post by: Steve - K4HX on August 10, 2020, 11:25:26 AM
Is any averaging involved in either box? Same for windowing?

What is the number of points displayed by both boxes? Many of the older SAs measured more points than they displayed. Points were combined/averaged.


Title: Re: BitScope Mini
Post by: M0VRF on August 10, 2020, 05:43:45 PM
For $360 you can get a decent 200MHz 'Scope from Siglent, they're small and can hang from an upper shelf so take very little room. I gave up using old clunky Tek stuff ages ago way too big.

JB.
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