The AM Forum

K1boy, skid row bum = no action
Irb, loaded = plenty of attention

just an observation and not defending either

It is interesting you link these two operators in your mind. I am sure many of us do. As annoying as the amateur broadcash station is there is supporting precident in the ARRL broadcasts. The rules are not specific enough to differentiate between the two services. When K1MAN keys up on top of a qso in progress it automatically brings this huge red herring to the surface. It could go either way in court.

VJZ has repeatedly violated the interference rules and regulations which have only the peripheral supporting precident of the aforementioned broadcash related interference to "justify" such behavior. A court case, if it even made it to court, would most likely go against Irb. There is overwhelming evidence of multiple infractions and many who would supply recordings.

This has little to do with the financial status of the operators in question. . .

-ap

KW1 VS DX100 HMMMMM

Both are breaking the law we will see who gets the most attention.
It might be like quota week at the police dept.

Comparing the two implies we should accept rule breaking because other people break the rules and, apparently, aren't brought to task for their actions. . . .so it's only fair that little or no consequence should be assessed to others who break the law. I don't think it matters if your station is PW or KW. Should it?
Your comments also appear to trivialize the enforcement of the regulations but I suspect that is a hangover from the 70s and will not address it, except to avoid speeding past Dunkin Donuts. . .
As you pointed out, the FCC has lot's of other issues to address so I think the attention to the VJZ infraction(s) is due to multiple complaints over an extended period.


-ap

I just find it odd that irb and I don't defend in any way seems to be getting a lot more attention than a guy pushing his business interests along with all the other baggage falls off the fcc radar.
safer busting speeders than bank robbers.

Since the subject has been mentioned, what is the status on K1MAN? I don't recall anything happening after his FCC station inspection.  And I only hear him sporatically... He's not coming on 3.890 at 6:25 PM anymore, right? Is he conserving electricity or something?  Did his "jump team" parachute into the midst of the Tsunami disaster?  

Eric

You are correct in that Irb is CURRENTLY getting more PUBLIC attention than K1MAN. But over the last 10 years, K1MAN has received far more attention than Irb. And we don't know what is going on behind the scenes wrt K1MAN, speculation not withstanding.

It is also much easier to badger an 80 year old man than some one who fights back, ala Baxter.

I've said it before and will say again, this thing with Irb is petty and childish and more a fight between two operators, certainly less egregious than someone who jams up 10 KC of spectrum with commercial broadcasts.

One thing that is getting overlooked here is that Stu made a reference to his employment, in some capacity – consulting or otherwise with the FCC. I suspect the Commission is more likely to go to bat for one its own.

Let me try complaining about Irb’s operation or worse yet a slopbucketers operation and see how far I get. People have been pissing and moaning about other hams and their on-air manners since radio began, this is the first instance in recent memory that I can recall of someone getting jammed up for answering a CQ.

Its going to take some real brass balls to take on Baxter and get the job done, I’d much rather see the Commission’s attention and recourses focused there, it would certainly be more productive to the amateur community in general.

With that said, "God Bless Mel Gibson."

I don't think Stu is employed by the FCC.  He serves, or served, on an advisory counsel to that agency, but I think he is employed in the private sector.

Available data does not support your argument Bruce. There are dozens of FCC letters and actions reported regularly on the ARRL Web site. How many of them involve a complainant that works for the FCC? How many involve poor, defenseless (yea right) maple syrup farmers? None that I know of.

You may recall Tim, WA1HLR received similar letters several years ago. These letters were generated by a rash of complaints received by the FCC. Don't get me wrong, I think the system used by the FCC is bogus. If they receive a complaint (or several) they shouldn't send out a letter. They should first VERIFY the complaint. That said, I don't see Irb as being singled out when there are a veritable mountain of these letters sent out by the FCC.

Steve you're right of course, the FCC does send out many letters. But, how many letters do you see the FCC sending out for one station answering anothers CQ?

Stu filed the sole complaint in the matter, it was not like the FCC received dozens and dozens of letters.


Let's not make this more complex than it actually is. Its simply a squabble between two kids in a small sandbox.

Over....

It's much quicker to convict a bookie with a bad lawyer than it is to convict a killer with a good one.

That's why we're seeing such rapid progress in the Irb scenario. Glenn is smart enough to respond to FCC inquiries the in a way that at least addresses the facts in question. Keeps them tied up in their own red tape that way. Irb, on the other hand, responds to FCC inquiries with diatribes about Jesus and Jefferson. Guaranteed way of pissing off the enforcement bureau, right there.

Glenn has been successful in dragging out the FCC for well over a decade, but I suspect he's running out of tricks. Irb is doing nothing to keep the FCC at bay. If anything, he's attracting them.

The only real comparison is the fact that they're both a pain in the ass.

It'll all come out in the wash eventually.

--Thom
Killer Album One Zappa's Greatest Compsitions

You appear to be confusing personal matters with FCC actions. I agree the issue may have better handled by the personalities themselves. But one of them took it to the FCC. You seem to be making the claim that the FCC is engaging an this action as a personal favor to Stu or because Irb is an easy target.

"It is also much easier to badger an 80 year old man than some one who fights back, ala Baxter. "

I don't consider what the FCC has done as badgering. If so, then they have badgered ALL of the other hams to whom they sent letters.

Two guys have a dispute on the playground, one goes running to the teacher.

My was that this could and should have been handled with a phone call, or at worse, by simply ignoring the other station.

The offense, if one can call it that, is mild.
Involving the FCC is like swatting a fly with a hammer.

This sets a dangerous precident, does the FCC get involved in each and every personal dispute on the air? That is a slipperly slope my friend and certainly not good stewardship of the Comission's limited resources.

That's it, that's all, and that's my 2 cents.


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Hey Bruce, have you noticed both of my posts and your reply to me have been deleted. Seems somebody doesn't like me.  :lol:

Didn't notice that George, what did you say?

I think George is confused.  You both posted on this subject in the ARRL forum.

Yep, a senior moment. Never mind.

Never mind, my mistake. Hey Bruce, I heard you this morning. Was going to jump in but I wasn't hearing you very well. Conditions I guess. Maybe I'll try again tomorrow.

Hi George,

Yes, just running 50 watts here, but have a great antenna, perhaps catch you tomorrow.

-Bruce

You gotta get some fire in the wire dude.  :D
Look for you around 6:30

I have to wait for it to warm up before I move into the barn, future hamshack and workshop.

So, until then, I am PW at 50 watts - which does a great job if conditions are good.

50 watts on the new antenna is like 500 watts on the old antenna.

FB OM and all that jazz.

I'll listen for you while the oatmeal is cooking. :-)


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"Steve you're right of course, the FCC does send out many letters. But, how many letters do you see the FCC sending out for one station answering anothers CQ? "

My apologies for butting in. . . . you are focusing on a minor issue. Irbs answering CQs when he is not wanted is one of many symptoms. I don't have to list them as they are general knowledge. Some of the worst criminals did not get arrested for murder or racketeering. They were  arrested for the almost rationalizable crime of tax evasion. Those observing from an expanded perspective understood they were removing a blight from society even if the removal was not specifically a response to all the infractions comitted by the criminal.

The FCCs position on K1MAN appears to be one of attrition. We shall see what October brings. My sense is license expiration is more effective in time frame than a contested trial.

-ap

Bruce,
I agree. The FCC should not be playing den mother.

Sounds like a plan.

It amazes me that many people think that you can just "reason" with Irb, or call him on the phone.
There is no reasoning with him, even if you ask him nicely.
just look at the way he responded to the FCC with "I am innocent!"
probably a few rants about Jesus and jefferson in there too, Ceasar and the blacklist jamming jews.
If all it took to get Irb to behave was an "Irb, please knock it off",do you think it would have progressed to the point it is at now?

there is no conspiracy

Question..?

 Is Glenny Due in October...Far Out... :D

Irbwin had his phone disconnected, so you can't call him up anyway.  he has also been visited by friendly and helpful AM'ers who offered to clean up his signal, etc.- he refused their help. i'd sure like to be able to get on 75AM sunday mornings again like i did for years without his splash and  trash covering 3850-3900. it's like living next door to a CB'er with a trashy linear. there is no consiricy that i see here, only that he's been handed 100 feet of 1" nylon rope and is about to hang himself.
XA

In the end I think everyone will miss him when he's gone. For a little while......

After Irb, I wonder who will be the next target of the P.C. Police?


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Yep, combine inconsideration, (to be kind) inept or (probably) illegal operation, and annoyance,  allow no other recourse, stir well, and you get the current situation.

I was once a supporter of Irb. However, he decided I shouldn't be able to participate in a net years ago because he wanted a grand stand from which to emit his repetitive verbal flatulence. He transmitted over the net and has been interfereing with people regularly ever since. .
. . surely these and other Irb issues don't have to be rehashed here.  it won't matter a whit. . . .

You gonna call Riley and tell him what a stellar ham Irb is?

-ap

I appreciate the comments from Blaine, Chris (KD2XA) and Art... but I suspect that their comments will be ignored by those among us who prefer not to deal in facts. That is... those who prefer to make their arguments in the absence of facts.

I suspect that even with Blaine's and other's points regarding the complete impossibility of reasoning with Irb (I tried... and like everyone else who has tried, I got nowhere with him) someone will once again suggest that all I had to do was discuss my concerns with Irb, and that would have solved the problem.

Here is a fact that some of the readers of this board may find interesting.

Irb has presented (perhaps a hundred times on the air by now) his story of the first correspondence that he received from Riley... sometime in July of 2004... and how it contained a letter of complaint signed by me with a date of August of 2004. He uses this to underscore the mysterious conspiracy that is being waged against him.

What Irb fails to mention, is that I explained to him, one day on the air, that in July of 2004,  I FAXed two letters to Riley (at the FCC enforcement office's request). They asked my to sign and date my complaint and FAX it to them. When I dated the first copy of the complaint I accidently dated it August XX, 2004 (I don't remember the exact date, although I have the original in my files). Just a few minutes later, I sent a second FAX to the FCC with the incorrect date lined out, the correct date inserted: July XX, 2004... and with my initials next the the lined out date.

Irb acknowledged to me that he understood my explanation by saying something like: "Oh, then it was a comedy of errors".

Nevertheless, this factual information doesn't fit in with Irb's conspiracy theory... and so he continues to tell the original story about my letter of complaint being dated August XX, 2004 ... over-and-over again on the air.
He never mentions the explanation I provided.


Likewise, he fails to mention that the ONLY complaint I have ever lodged against him is his intentional interference when I call CQ anywhere within the 75 meter AM window. If he were to stop intentionally interfering with me when I call CQ... my complaint would be fully satisfied... but that would take away Irb's enjoyment (which he has expressed directly to me on the air) in interfering with my use of the 75 meter AM window.
Stu
AB2EZ

Stu,

 I think it's obvious that the membership relates to this on going problem you have, and it's caused you a great deal of anguish, subsequently it has caused a great deal of Postings on this matter.

 I as well as others feel it's more than relative that something obviously has to be done. I don't have any problems with the course of action you have sought to remedy this, I have made passing comments here and there that may not have been any great help but then again his signal strength is in the qrm most of the time on my end so i don't pay him much mind.

 For what it's worth i do support your effort in finding a solution for this and sometimes one has to seek outside help,  nothing worse than all the time effort and expense in putting a station together to have someone continually harass you and ruin your enjoyment...that's just wrong period and i do hope that a solution is found in your behalf.

73 om.