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Title: Subcommittee Chair, H.R. Sponsor Testify on Behalf of Amateur Radio Parity Act
Post by: Pete, WA2CWA on January 13, 2016, 03:05:51 PM
H.R. 1301
It's good to have hams in the right places.

From the ARRL web site dated 1/12/16:
http://www.arrl.org/news/subcommittee-chair-h-r-1301-sponsor-testify-on-behalf-of-amateur-radio-parity-act


Title: Re: Subcommittee Chair, H.R. Sponsor Testify on Behalf of Amateur Radio Parity Act
Post by: K1JJ on January 13, 2016, 03:35:03 PM
Pete, you might be the right one to axe about this... question of the decade:

Why does the ARRL refer to themselves in writing and speech as "A.R.R.L." ?    Why not "THE A.R.R.L."  like everyone else ??      

It's  "The Autobahn Society" ,  "The Humane  Society"     "The  United Way"  "The I.R.S."   etc.    


The words American, Radio, Relay are modifiers and can be dropped leaving "League"  

It's proper to say "I drove to "The League"  -   not I drove to "League."

What would Hiram say?

T


Title: Re: Subcommittee Chair, H.R. Sponsor Testify on Behalf of Amateur Radio Parity Act
Post by: Pete, WA2CWA on January 13, 2016, 04:42:31 PM
Pete, you might be the right one to axe about this... question of the decade:

Why does the ARRL refer to themselves in writing and speech as "A.R.R.L." ?    Why not "THE A.R.R.L."  like everyone else ??      
It's  "The Autobahn Society" ,  "The Humane  Society"     "The  United Way"  "The I.R.S."   etc.    

The words American, Radio, Relay are modifiers and can be dropped leaving "League"  

It's proper to say "I drove to "The League"  -   not I drove to "League."

What would Hiram say?

T
You need to get on the air more  :D

Definition of "the" and how it's used: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/the

American Radio Relay League is used collectively as a proper name (noun). The "the" is used to mark the proper noun.

The "Autobahn Society" doesn't called itself "The Autobahn Society". Actually it's really called "National Audubon Society"(proper noun). The "the" is used to again mark the proper noun. However, some organizations choose to use the "the" in their organizational title as "The Humane Society of the United States".

The "United Way" and the "IRS"(no periods) don't use "the" in their proper name.

Hiram probably doesn't care.


Title: Re: Subcommittee Chair, H.R. Sponsor Testify on Behalf of Amateur Radio Parity Act
Post by: kb4qaa on January 13, 2016, 10:45:03 PM
So should it be "Easter The Rabbit", "Smokey The Bear or Smokey Bear and Easter Rabbit?


Title: Re: Subcommittee Chair, H.R. Sponsor Testify on Behalf of Amateur Radio Parity Act
Post by: K1JJ on January 13, 2016, 11:17:36 PM
OK, I get it now.

So, cat is a noun and it becomes "the cat"

Jim is a proper noun and would not be "the Jim"  rather just "Jim"


T


BTW, despite the English rules, if we did a survey of hams, I'll bet the majority still call the ARRL  "The ARRL" or "The League" not  "ARRL"





Title: Re: Subcommittee Chair, H.R. Sponsor Testify on Behalf of Amateur Radio Parity Act
Post by: Pete, WA2CWA on January 14, 2016, 02:37:28 AM

BTW, despite the English rules, if we did a survey of hams, I'll bet the majority still call the ARRL  "The ARRL" or "The League" not  "ARRL"


As I said earlier: The "the" is used to mark the proper noun. Their official title or identifier is not "the ARRL"; it's the "ARRL".
Maybe "identify" would be a better word then "mark".
I would suspect an English or grammar teacher/professor could probably shed lots of additional insight on this topic. What do I know; I'm from Jersey; not the Jersey  :D
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