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Title: Perhapsatron
Post by: John K5PRO on November 27, 2014, 06:00:45 PM
This was the Los Alamos Perhapsatron, an early toroidal plasma device, on the quest for fusion power sources. I think the big boxes and studs are the fronts of large capacitors, but they don't look like there are any wires connected. So I wonder if this was an early 'photoshopped' attempt.


Title: Re: Perhapsatron
Post by: Steve - K4HX on November 27, 2014, 06:04:31 PM
It's as if it never existed.  ;)


Title: Re: Perhapsatron
Post by: Mike/W8BAC on November 27, 2014, 06:42:53 PM
How about a link John? I'm curious now.


Title: Re: Perhapsatron
Post by: W2NBC on November 27, 2014, 07:09:22 PM
Perhaps  :P


Title: Re: Perhapsatron
Post by: Todd, KA1KAQ on November 27, 2014, 09:26:36 PM
Here's a photo. The toroidal thingy is at the far right...


    :o


Title: Re: Perhapsatron
Post by: W7TFO on November 27, 2014, 10:19:22 PM
I've seen this photo before...

Oh crap, now it will take years again to try and fade from my memory :P

Or, "What has been seen. cannot be unseen".

73DG


Title: Re: Perhapsatron
Post by: KX5JT on November 27, 2014, 10:27:59 PM
Step into my transmitter, for my shack is the case!


Title: Re: Perhapsatron
Post by: KC4VWU on November 28, 2014, 02:54:42 AM
CHASSIS! Who needs a freakin' chassis! It's the ultimate display of "point to point" wiring construction! ;D ;D


Title: Re: Perhapsatron
Post by: John K5PRO on November 28, 2014, 03:45:15 AM
Here's an old report that mentions the Perhapsatron.


Title: Re: Perhapsatron
Post by: John K5PRO on November 29, 2014, 12:38:53 AM
Dang it, did I forget to attach the original photo? Here it is without TimTron.



Title: Re: Perhapsatron
Post by: W3RSW on November 29, 2014, 08:03:58 AM
The simple reason that contained, net positive thermonuclear reactions haven't worked yet.
...you forgot.  ;D
 
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Title: Re: Perhapsatron
Post by: RolandSWL on November 29, 2014, 11:29:36 AM
What's the plumbing in the lower left corner?


Title: Re: Perhapsatron
Post by: flintstone mop on November 29, 2014, 12:10:35 PM
Step into my transmitter, for my shack is the case!

I tried in vain to find an online photo of a Ham who was pushing the limit for the P.E.P. rating of a transmitter. He built a ROOM sized transmitter that was capable of 2500 Watts. Maybe in ER?? An interesting sort of guy. Maybe it was an all class A design. It was huge and unbelievable.

Fred


Title: Re: Perhapsatron
Post by: Steve - K4HX on November 29, 2014, 01:15:10 PM
Maybe you were thinking of W3PHL back in the 60s

(http://home.comcast.net/~mmosh/w3phl/room.jpg)


Title: Re: Perhapsatron
Post by: John K5PRO on November 29, 2014, 01:50:00 PM
Not sure what the plumbing is, looks like some kind of gas manifold. Vacuum pumps wouldn't use such small tubing. I realized that the bolts facing outward with white insulation are holding the yoke of a giant magnetic core together. They are not capacitor studs. The whole thing looks like a giant EI transformer back there. I guess they didn't have credit cards back then, but that scope might have had some wiggles from all the iron back there. He had to use a hood over it cause the camera man was flashing in his face...


Title: Re: Perhapsatron
Post by: Steve - K4HX on November 29, 2014, 03:02:21 PM
He has a push button in his right hand. I wonder if he took the photo.


Title: Re: Perhapsatron
Post by: flintstone mop on November 29, 2014, 05:06:45 PM
Maybe you were thinking of W3PHL back in the 60s

(http://home.comcast.net/~mmosh/w3phl/room.jpg)

Yup
I remember the FECES controversy now with input RF power of 600 Watts and his outrageous modulator. Upside down tube and DSB with reduced carrier.
Thanks Steve


Title: Re: Perhapsatron
Post by: KA3EKH on December 03, 2014, 11:37:44 AM
Have been told by engineers older then myself of back in the old days it was not uncommon for broadcast stations to have someone build a transmitter for them on site, and of 1 to 5 Kw AM stations transmitters occupying a room in a building where everything would be spread out around the room.
The oldest stuff I know of was back in the seventies when I started in radio and you had to have a first phone on duty whenever on the air and the control point had to be able to visually see the transmitter along with meter readings every three hours. Don’t know if the stories about homebuilt room size broadcast stuff is true or not but would imagine all that sort of stuff went away with type acceptance certificates for transmitters. Also hear tales of Sparta, Bauer and other low end broadcast transmitters that were available as kits for the broadcaster who was not able to buy an assembled transmitter. Have no idea how much of all that stuff is true or not. Would think there must be pictures if it’s so.
The thing in the above pictures looks more like the inside of a submarine then radio, but that’s just me.



Title: Re: Perhapsatron
Post by: K9DXL on December 03, 2014, 05:44:14 PM
Bauer did make a broadcast transmitter in kit form.  It's my understanding that a factory rep engineer would help with the proof of performance of the completed rig.


Title: Re: Perhapsatron
Post by: W3GMS on December 04, 2014, 07:32:33 AM
Maybe you were thinking of W3PHL back in the 60s

(http://home.comcast.net/~mmosh/w3phl/room.jpg)


And I was in that room back then and made it out alive!  This was part of his Ham transmitter, but only one room of it.

Joe, GMS


Title: Re: Perhapsatron
Post by: WZ5Q on December 04, 2014, 01:04:14 PM
Maybe you were thinking of W3PHL back in the 60s

(http://home.comcast.net/~mmosh/w3phl/room.jpg)


And I was in that room back then and made it out alive!  This was part of his Ham transmitter, but only one room of it.

Joe, GMS

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Title: Re: Perhapsatron
Post by: Steve - K4HX on December 04, 2014, 02:58:04 PM
And it connected to this antenna - 3 elements on 40 meters!

(http://home.comcast.net/%7Emmosh/w3phl/40m-bem.jpg)


Title: Re: Perhapsatron
Post by: W3GMS on December 05, 2014, 03:32:07 PM
And it connected to this antenna - 3 elements on 40 meters!

(http://home.comcast.net/%7Emmosh/w3phl/40m-bem.jpg)

A bad ice storm took that tower town many 10 or more years ago.  Fred put that up to try and beat out my mentor Harry-W3FDY and it never happened! 

Joe, GMS
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