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Many of us have other hobbies besides radio. (at least I would hope we are not all one-trick ponies) One of my favorite passtimes for the last 35 years or so has been antique gasoline engines. as many who have come to the party have seen.

Now is the best time of the year for gas engine shows and steam engine shows. Wifey and myself went to one yesterday and my favorite one is coming up next weekend. I just thought I'd post a few pix from the show yesterday.

                                          
                                                               the Slab Bacon

One More !

Those are so awsome.  I have always wanted a small steam engine to put around with (literally).
I thought it was impressive as all get out when the old steam tractor out pulled the modern models at last years fair.

There is an antique tractor show next weekend here which brings out a lot of gas and steam power engines.  Attendees are from all over the US and some foreign countries.  Really quite an event and very educational as well.

I enjoy those shows too. The old engines are almost art as well as cool history.

I'd love to find a little steam engine that made a fraction of a horsepower and hook it up to drive a 12 volt alternator, make 20 watts or so and have steam powered QSO's. I just think that would be a hoot.

"Five-nine here old man. Rig is an ICOM 703 powered by a steam engine...." Imagine the nifty photo QSL card you could send out.  ;D

Are there any practical, small, say 1/10th hp steam engines one can acquire at any kind of reasonable price?

I remember you running the toys when we had the Timonium party.
Wish I lived closer Frank.
p.s. say hello to Carol for me ;D

Brent

You can build fractional Horsepower working steam models for the cost of a used valiant.  Stuart D-10 at about 1/2hp or so runs around 150 GBP for a unmachined casting kit.   

I loved the rotating ball governors on steam engines.

I actually prefer the gas engines to steam. I like the popping farting, backfiring etc.
Steam engines dont make much noise unless you are working them really hard.

also down here steam engines and tractors are getting to be kind of a sticky wicket with boiler inspections. Because most are moved from show to show, there was a very big issue down here that Maryland would not recognize Pennsylvania's (or other states) boiler certifications and inspections. (must be done yearly) A few years back there were no portable steam engines at Maryland shows. I think they have gotten that somewhat worked out because I am seeing them again.

Gas and oil engines, however are exempt from all of that B.S. and can be taken and shown anywhere. The inspection boondoggle was making it a very expensive proposition for the steam equipment collectors. Many of the exhibitors that have the miniature reproduction steam engines were runing them on compressed air to avoid the hassle.

Many of the same facilities that host hamfests also have Steam or gas engine and tractor shows and "fall festivals" which incorperate old engines. One that comes to mind is Berryville, Va., they usually have their annual steam and gas engine show the week before the hamfest.

for those of youse guys looking for small steam engines, originals are VERY hard to come by and very expensive when found mainly because they didnt make many of them. Small ones just didnt make enough power to do much work. You migh be better off looking for some of the reproduction model casting kits if you have some machinist skills. The "casting kit" models of both the steam and gas engines are way KOOL! ! ! There are a handful of small companies now making them.

The great 'Bloomsburg Fair' is scheduled to begin the last week (Sept. 25) of Sept. A typical albeit large ag fair, billed as the Largest in PA! Most of the food exhibts can be seen using the old 'hit-n-miss' engines. I know of one where the belt is tied to 6 20gal. ice cream freezers. Also usually the weekend of Labor Day, they have a tractor, and engine exhibit that goes for 2 days in Washingtonville. I love the old hit-n-miss jobbers.

there used to be a small show that we used to go to out in Wolfsville, Md. where they ran an ice cream maker, cider presses, and a few other food making apparatuses off of a couple of old gas engines. They used to give out samples to everyone that walked up!!
IIRC the group that held it was the Catoctan gas engine club.

One lungers are pretty popular in this area. A friend has a bunch of them including a belt drive portable sawmill as he heats his auto service shop with wood. Its amazing how much torque that thing puts out, I think its ony 3-4 hp  He also puts around in a 1917 Buick touring car or a 31 Model A roadster.

I love old engines and steam plants. Yes we have other interests!! Ham radio operators who have no other interests, well, that seems boring to me. Radio is just a hobby like everything else.

There is an Allis-Chalmers 6-cyl. in a barn for grinding corn and wheat, but it has not been used in years because of a blown head gasket. The guy's son 'cautioned' me that it is 'very large'. I am trying to find out if it still turns or not, if it is not siezed, and will fit permanently on a 1-ton trailer I have, maybe.. I just don't want to see it go to the scrap. Very large? maybe. they made them up to 800 cubic inches.

Also old computers, books, women of good morals, cats, making hot sauce, military trucks, ATV riding, general electronics, lasers, nuclear physics, boats.

I don't know, building any motor is every bit as cool as building a rig
That first spin up to red line.....
Goat roper stopped by with my old Firebird so I could show him how to set it up, homebrew advance curve. When I was done he wanted to rebuild the carb. I asked why it is running perfect leave it alone. Wait till he sees what I did inside the Holley....

Frank,

I believe you are familiar with the steam engine museum up this way.  Its called Rough and Tumble. 

Here is the link:
http://www.roughandtumble.org/rt_about_overvw.asp

When my dad was alive we pretty much attended the event each year.  Normally it was held sometime in August and we always had a great time.  From the website it appears they are still holding the event. 

Regards,
Joe, W3GMS

Please don't laugh, but I operated a one-lunger, similar to the one SlabBacon showed in his initial post, the one with the red water holder.

In the late 1920's my Dad wired my Grandmother's house for electricity--lights and such. It was a 32v system, powered with five 6v auto batteries in series and charged with a 32v DC generator. The generator was driven by the one-lunger, which I cranked up dozens of times before I was 9 years old. Memories of those times have never faded.

There was a fest similar to SlabBacon's 20 miles from here in MI last week, but unfortunately I was unable to attend for medical reasons. Wanted to go though.

Walt

Joe, we havent been there for a few years, but we used to go every year. Looks like they've added some new stuff. Maybe we'll have to check it out in the spring.


Walt,
        I have a 1919 Westinghouse 32V "light plant" (yes light plant, that's what they were called back then) in my collection. It also has a pretty neat history behind it: It was made at the East Pittsburg plant. That plant was destroyed by a flood in 1921 and Westinghouse had no records of ever making it!!  

the Light plants were usually used with banks of 4  8-volt or 16 humungus individual 2volt glass cased lead acid batteries. Very few of the glass cased batteries have survived.

Another popular use for the 32V light plants was to light up the chicken houses on farms. If they kept the chickens up later after dark, they would lay more eggs!!

I love those old engines and steam locomotive tractors.  We have a fairly large tractor and antique engine show every year in New Haven, IN...just east of Ft Wayne.  Lots of fun and much to see.  They have some really large stationary oil engines (running) on display, as well.  Those things are huge!  Many were used in grain mills and in oil fields.

Then...the following week is a huge tractor and engine show at Portland, IN.  That show is one of the largest in the country, with thousands of attendees and one of the largest flea markets you have ever seen.   Just about everything there you can imagine, including tools and parts for any kind of tractor or engine.   I have even bought radio stuff there.  Found an old McElroy straight key a few years ago.

Yes, Slab...another vice besides radio...I enjoy old tractors and engines, as well as old cars & trucks.  Labor Day weekend, we usually go to the Auburn Cord Duesenberg Festival in Auburn, IN.  just 20 mi north of Ft Wayne.  There is a huge car auction and flea market there and much to see.  Lots of walking though.  Many people use golf carts to get around the place...it is so big.  This time of year, there is a lot to do around here.  Car Shows, antique tractor and engine shows, and all kinds of festivals, including the Johnny Appleseed Festival here in Ft. Wayne (this coming weekend).

73,  Jack, W9GT

Slab,

I am trying to find a photo of the 32 volt plant that was installed in the basement of my house.  It was used for farm lighting and also had a pulley takeoff connected to a sausage stuffing machine that apparently took up about 1/5 of the 1200 square foot basement.  It is all long gone except for the heavy gauge knob and tube wiring which is dead but never removed when it was upgraded.

The house has been in the family since it was built in 1901 so I am hoping one of my relatives still has the photos, I know a few were taken. 

When I moved here in 1990 the farmer a mile up the road still used one of the "one lungers" to power his water pump and you could really hear that hit and miss engine from a long distance.

Rodger

We have an auto show here at work next week. The red one lunger will be there with Rich's blown mopar. I wonder how much powder coat he has added  since the last show.

Here in Collins Country it's the Mount Pleasant Iowa Old Threshers, every Labor Day weekend.

www.oldthreshers.org/

73 Dave

Lets see.....................................................
Ham radio, Antique radios, Antique gas engines, motorcycles, old mopars, drag racing, and probably a few more that I'm forgetting. Its a good thing that I dont have more room, I seriously want to dabble in old tractors and very large stationary engines.

Not to mention that I have had the hankering for another boat ???  ???

WHERE DOES IT END! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !   :o  :o

there is also something about listening to an engine pulling a really heavy load at WFO that is just somehow soothing to the soul  :o  :o  ???  ???

B17 at idle on a damp morning is one of the coolest sounds
SR71 in flight wanna run it
P&W F22 motor on the stand in full AB making big flame
F14 doing a hammer head stall and driving out vertical

Been there, done that, totally agree.
The sound of radial engines cannot be beat.

Was in a 1942 B-17 that idled on a foggy damp morning at Andrews AFB, then powered up and rolled out for a flight over the USAF Memorial across the Potomac. Flew right over it at about 600 feet.  I was in the front nosecone shooting stills and video, whoo !  What a rush.

It was also an honor to get to interview the 82 year old retired General who was the pilot and owner of the plane.

A few of life's most wonderful sounds/sights:

1.  A P-51 making a low pass, then rolling and climbing out like a rocket.  Nothing sounds quite like that low roar/rumble.

2.  A B-36 passing overhead.  Pure power!  Truely awesome.

3.  Nickel Plate Berkshire steam locomotive #765 with a full head of steam rumbling down the tracks, belching smoke and blowing the whistle.   Just being around this beauty is a wonderful experience!

4.  A big hemi-powered dragster burning up the slicks and roaring down the strip.

   etc etc

73,  Jack, W9GT

What is it 6 turnin and 4 burnin not that must be loud.
P51 one big ass v12 with dual motivators never heard that one

Hmmmmph, I remember those Tomcats taking off about 20' above my head. Them, along with the A-6's and A-7's. When they would do maintenance on those GE F-101 engines, (am I correct with that Frank?), they would notify the bridge that they were bringing it up to military thrust power. Navigation had to be prepared to make corrections. Imagine an aircraft engine that could alter the course of a aircraft carrier!

Some had P&W TF30s or TF33s same as the F111
A7 the long ride to the meat chopper, That inlet was way too low. Too many Navy guys died. That allison had small sharp blades on that fan.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_gpPbpONK4


klc

The B-36, what a wonderful huge beast. expensive to maintain and prone to fires in the Wasp Major nacelles because of cooling issues. There is one at the SAC museum on Nebraska. Poor old lady will never fly again but eventually she will get the cosmetics she deserves.

 ' The B-36, what a wonderful huge beast "

Dats the bird Major General Stewart flew in the movie SAC.


klc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5qqfsQGYus&feature=related    

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgHSDa2Jwqc  

                                                                        8)

Frank said:
You got that right!  I watched with my own eyes as a guy on the flight deck was sucked in. If it wasn't for two other guys holding on to his legs and his flight gear FODding out the engine, he would have been hamburger!

I knew a guy who had his jacked yanked off his back because he walked too close to an SR71 inlet....at idle.

Either end of a jet is dangerous.  I've seen A-300 (airbus) engines vortex up stuff off of the ground at idle, a ramp agent for fedex had his hand-held, headset and clipboard sucked off into then engine.  He didn't go and was ok after the shock wore off. 

Likewise the folks who try to drive behind a taxying jet and get their truck blown over sideways... :)  The jet blast can be several hundred miles an hour, picture one of those panel trucks they use for catering cutting behind a jet rolling down the taxiway.  very messy...

Then was the Rampy down in Memphis who walked into an F-27's rotating prop-blades.

In the army a few guys got whacked by helicopter rotors, the tail rotor being the worst as it is nearly invisible at speed.

 

I was in a 737 driven by a mil driver and watched him suck a 2 inch rock off the ground and it went right in the fan. I was sitting just ahead of the inlet and quickly ducked over. I figured there would be blades everywhere but nothing happened.
My Dad blew up a JT8 on a stand once. Someone left a bolt in the compressor. He said the case split and the turbine dropped out spinning very fast. It took 6 months to investigate the accident and clear his group. He was worried he might get fired if it was his test set up crew's fault

Spent a lot of time in a fire tower doing blast testing at Otis AFB on the cape in the early 80's. We were amazed when a pair of bright silver Delta Dart interceptors would scramble and go to full afterburners chasing out to a Bear coming coming up the coast in a hand off to their station. These Convair F-106's were already antiques, but they were beauties - eventually replaced by F-15's.

Reminds me of a story told to my government contracting course by an old skool contracting officer.

He was the contracting officer for Oak Ridge national labs; they contracted to have a wind tunnel repainted.  Unfortunately nobody checked the inside before they wound up the R-4360 and a left-behind ladder bounced around the inside of the tunnel and utterly destroyed it, causing over a million dollars in damage.   The subject of the discussion was "how do you deal with an unplanned incident?"  Certainly, a ladder left behind by the contractor qualifies as an "unplanned incident" and it was interesting how he explained apportioning blame between the government and the contractor.

Back to hit or miss engines, I grew up with those as my grandfather had quite a collection, including a 15 or so horse Waterloo Boy that, with no load, would fire once every 2 minutes or so.  Load it down with a sawmill, though, and it really went to town!

He also had a Port Huron steam tractor and did threshing bees on his farm in southern MN.  All of us grandkids were enlisted to shovel coal, shovel grain, etc - hard work!  His proudest possession, next to the steam tractor, was his boiler engineer's license.  Indeed, not a bad accomplishment for an 80 year old guy with a 5th grade edumacation!  My uncle has the tractor now, after grandpa died at the age of 95, and I believe he still runs it from time to time.

For those of us up here in NEW England, there is a once a year event in RI Called the "Yankee Tune Up and  Steam Up" http://www.newsm.org/ (http://www.newsm.org/) it is held at  The New England Wireless and Steam Museum. This year is will be held October 2nd...

1300 Frenchtown Road
East Greenwich, RI 02818 USA
Telephone: 401-885-0545
Robert W. Merriam, Director

For Me having Antique Cars, Motorcycles, Tractors, Giant Steam Engines AND RADIO, well it just doesn't get any better!  

From the Web Site regarding Wireless - "It includes the wireless collections of noted wireless pioneers and historians. The main ones are as follows:

Fred M. Barstow, Selwyn Niveson Blake K1CPW, Richard Brunner AA1P, Merrill Budlong W1MB, Louis Carini W1BOC, Allen D. Cardwell, Benjamin Dolbear (son of Amos Emerson Dolbear), Lloyd Espenshied, Arthur Goodnow W1DM, Nathan Hallenstein, Charles C. Harris, Herman Hollerith, Gilbert Johnson W1DZ, Walter W. Massie, Thorn L. Mayes W6AX, Robert Merriam W1NTE, Fred Penard, Jack Perry, Stu Perry W1BB, Vance Phillips W6GH, Eunice Randell W1MPP, Ed Raser W2ZI, Robert Shaw, Ken Thompson W1PS, Gerald L. K. Tyne, Charles R. Underhill, Frank Wingard W9EWH"

 - Steve W1TAV

 

F1XX planes were  very cool . I saw my first F100 at a young age and loved all of them after that. The F106 was the the balls.

Went to my favorite show this past weekend: The 55th anual Maryland Steam Historical Society "steam show" in Arcadia Md. I have attended this show for the last 35 years now, and it is my all time favorite.

Seems the Md and Pa. inspectors have kissed and made up on the pressure rules for the boiler inspections and there was plenty of BIG steam stuff! Not to mention acres of gas engines!! I was in hog heaven!!

So I felt obliged to post some more pix for others to enjoy!


                                                                 The Slab Bacon

more pix

And more....................

They have one of those steam traction jobbers out at Knoebel's Grove which they use to run the saw mill and various wood-working lathes.

I grew up on Long Island where my dad worked on the Republic F-105 Thunderchief project and we used to go down to the company strip and watch those puppies take off. I still remember the sight and sound of the Afterburners getting punched up as they'd rotate.
"Thud" indeed!  ;D

We lived out near the Republic and Grumman facilities and I used to watch all kinds of interesting airplanes flying around as a kid.

My Dad told me the F105 used to like to flame out on approach in Nam. It had a P&W motor my Dad worked on. The fix was to make the mixture a little richer at close to idle.

Hej !

The sound of fuel burning inside an engine is quite nice...
Here is one of my engines.

Now THAT'S an engine!!

You need a more robust tow vehicle - how about this one?

(http://www.mindfully.org/Energy/2004/CXT-Navistar-7mpg17sep04.jpg)

Hej !

Absolutly, what do you think about my fire engine?
Dodge D400 from 1967.

OK, you win  ;D

That is the very definition of a MANLY truck!  You're going to fit in here just fine.

It's a shame you dont live closer, I would love to see your engine collection! ! ! ! ! ! ! !

Who says bigger isnt better!  ;D  ;D

Ha! I was there Saturday. They sure did have a nice show this year and nice weather too.

Hej !

Here you will see photos of a Rolls-Royce B80 mk5P.
Inline 8, intake over exhaust. If my memory is correct, 346 cubic inches.
169 bhp at 3750 rpm, idles happy at around 375-400 rpm with a very nice sound.
I had to get two of them since they are so small...   ;D  Weight is around 900 lbs each.

The engine on the photo has 220 hours of running time since october 1953, about the same with the second engine.
They (mk5P) were used to power the electrical winch of a Centurion recovery vehicle.

Okay, now you've done it. All this talk about old engines caused me to go dig my Giant Slayer out of the garage for its yearly running. It's no Rolls Royce, but this monster will run for hours on a remarkably small amount of gasoline. It's designed to run radio gear or charge batteries. Got it at the last or next-to-last Hossraders at Deerfield back in the early 90s. Massive Castrol Oil storage container used for scale.

Slab's got a Tiger genny that's even MORE intimidating!   :o

Hej !

Well, that was a nice little engine! Easy to carry and not too expensive to fire up!

So, to next engine...
Meteor mk4B

V12 petrol engine, 650 bhp @ 2400 rpm
Bore: 5.4 inch
Stroke: 6.0 inch
Total displ: 1649 cubic inch

From the beginning designed from the famous Rolls-Royce Merlin (Aero engine)
A more powerful engine was needed for tanks in the UK, so a Merlin with the prop reduction gear milled off and with twin dual throat carbs proved to be the answer... The Meteor. And, some other changes of course.
My engine was overhauled by the Swedish Army in 1990, then never used since.
I have the things I need to start it, just put it together.... some sunny day.

By the way, friends are always welcome to visit me! I do agree it's a shame that the distance between US and Sweden is so big. But, feel welcome! 

I love the chrome valve covers!!  ;D  ;D

that one would be way kool in a T-Bucket street rod!! No one over here would have a fiddlers clue what it is!!   ;D  ;D

That Meteor V12 is beautiful.  Build a walnut stand for it and it would look right at home in a formal study :)

Thanks for posting the photo and post an MP3 sound file when you start it up.

Hej !

Yesterday Santa's Representative called me and I was informed that I have been a good boy this year, so they will arrange with a truck to send this X-mas present to my garage.
This makes me wonder, can I trust the information that Santa collects? Can there be a mistake?
Either way, I'm happy!  :)
A russian tank engine, very low running hours. (used to power the T55 tank)
Diesel V12, all aluminium.
Displ: 2374 cu in (38.88 l)
Power 575 bhp

Google "Transmash V12" and you will get an idea of what it is.

Cool piece!! There arent too many all aluminum diesels around, at least not in this country.  I assume that due to it's low horsepower to displacement ratio it is not turbocharged. But due to it's being all aluminum and lighter weight it might be a real good candidate for some engine swapping projects. also looking at the shape of the ports to the heads on the exhaust manifolds, it looks like it might be 4 valves per cylinder, so there is some performance potential to be unlocked!!

Was that the Merlin the Brits used in the P51 Mustang because we wouldn't give them our dual turbo V12 Allison?

No, they used the Merlin because it was better than the Allison and they used the Merlin in Spitfires, Lancasters, etc.  Then Packard built the Merlin under license here.

We gave the Brits hundreds, if not thousands, of Allisons in lend-lease P-39s, P-40s, and P-38s.

I seem to remember the Brits not getting the Turbos for the P51.

One of the guys I work with said his Dad drove a P38. My Dad's cousin was in a Recon squad of P38s as a ground pounder and carried a Tommy. He is 91 now and still kicking.

I know you're a GM guy, Frank, but you need to do a little more research on this one.
There is only 2 engines that GM made that I really liked. One was the older 2-stroke Detroit Diesels, and the other was the Allison V-12s. The Allisons were supercharged,
not turbocharged. They did use a fan type blower, but it was mechanically driven, and not an exhaust turbine.  They are kool engines, 1710 cubic inches, and 1Hp per cube right out of the box.

The real shame of it is that they used platinum bering inserts. that is why so few of them ever made it into the hands of Hot Rodders. It was by far too profitable to rip them apart for the berings than to surplus them out whole.

There was a local aluminum recycler that had a mountain sized pile of them in their yard about 30 years ago. Not knowing then about the platinum berings, I went in and tried to buy a few of them. I was literally just about run out of there at gunpoint ?? Not having a clue what I was asking for I made "exit stage left" out the door never to come back.

I learned why some years later when I ran into an old friend running them in tractor pull tractors. I told him the story and he gigled and told me about the platinum berings!!

It could be possible that they made a turbocharged version for some special application, but I have never heard of it. Hell, with 1710 Hp out of the box, we dont need no stinking turbocharging! ! ! !   ;D  ;D

Frank,
I saw twin turbos on an Aliison V12 in a Budwiser boat years ago.
I agree they were belt driven blowers in the P51, sorry. Yea,
I'm a GM guy

It was the P-38 lightning that was sent to England with out the superchargers, which were thought to be to high tech to fall into German hands if one was shot down.  The performance was so bad with out the superchargers that the Brits called them "Castrated Lightnings" and said "no thanks" to any more with out turbochargers.

Frank,
          I bet the builder of the budweiser boat installed them. I'm sure they made a lot more boost than the original primitive superchargers. My buddy that pulls tractors with them has made up all of the B/S to affix his with dual turbos as well, but he built it. It has a very interesting sound while pulling. He also runs his on alky instead of 115/145.
when idling it looks funny an this syripy blue flame kinda rolls out of the huge elbow outlets on the turbos. It sounds wierd when he puts the boot to it, kinda more like a low pitched rumble than the usual scream from a stack of V-8s.

Ed,
     I bet they were "castrated". Without the superchargers they prolly only made half the horsepower!!

While were on the subject.
Last night I'm sitting at a light in the Mercury GM my Dad left me.
This yuppie pulls up on my right staging like a funny car wanting to pass on the right and cut me off to get ahead of traffic. POS Loser LEXASS.
It was kind of funny but I pushed the little button on the shifter to make the green led come on. He stages about a half length ahead of me. Light turns and he comes off the line like a rail. I give him a length then nail Dad's Merc.....good-by. He is on my ass for 5 miles weaving around as I come up on a buzzerd driving way too slow for him. As he turns off so I flip him my little finger.  sorry Dad (but he would have done the same thing)

that reminds me od a time about 20 years ago. i was sitting at a redlight, and this kid in as IROC-Z pulls up besides me. (I was driving a very innocent looking 66 Ford 6' stepside pick up) He was trying to bounce the front end and look bad-ass for his girlfriend in the shotgun seat. My wife looked at me and that was all it took. The light turned green and I busted his ass!! So bad that he wouldnt even pull up next to me at the next light. He never even considered that that truck only weighed 3200lb or had a 71 MoPar 440 under the hood. ;D  ;D He never realized that he picked a race with the equivelant of a 440 Dart.  ;D  Life was fun back then!

Ford 4.6 not a bad motor for lugging that beast.
Frank,
My Jethro mobile 72 one ton with rough cut oak flat bed. I could take a vet the first 100 feet. 350 bored and built. Old fuelie cam. 4.11s  Doug headers. Fugly.
It made many trips to Hostraders.
 I remember sleeping in it one night and Tim woke me he was all blasted taking a drain on my front tire.

Yea, but.......................... It didn't exist back then

Out of box 375Hp 440 Magnum did the job just fine  ;D  ;D

yupper cubes rule

Hej !

MoPar 440 kicks ass.   ;D
It was a very hot summer day...
My brothers car, but it me on the pic, sorry for making you cry.
 

I'm liking the new 2011 Ford 6.7L diesel as in the F series trucks...400 HP/ 800 ft/lbs out the showroom door. Prolly good for 600 HP/ 1200 ft/lbs with a chip, intake and exhaust. Good grief.

http://www.internationalpowerstroke.com/67psd.html

The chipped 7.3L diesel in my '02 really blows some nasty smoke when I get on it...I remember watching a ricer with a coffee can exhaust keeping up with me on the right, and I could see my exhaust smoke blasting into his driver's window and out the passenger side window. I don't know how he could even see. Still has me laughing.

I know a guy in LA who has his windshield washers aimed high so he can spray cars following too close. It was pretty funny to see from behind.

Black smoke now that is very funny.
Kid moves in next door into mopar 4 bangers. He programs his own injection profiles. He has a turbo Shadow that is running pretty rich. We bust each other all the time. I walked over with my Son last Saturday to check out his turbo set up and stopped and looked at him. Hey you only have 1/2 a motor...
He goofs on the goat roper who bought my Firebird. He always has to rev it up to impress me when he stops by. He just stopped by to show me the paint job. Looks like he used spray cans. I told him to wet sand it and try again.

Looks like a '66 Imperial, first year of the 440

Close, New Yorker '66

We have a big tractor show here next weekend, the Fulton Fall Folk Festival, in McConnellsburg, go to www.gsandr.com to see more. Featured manufacturer is JI Case, which was one of the big steam engine makers back in the early 1900s. I was just at a show near Mercersburg, PA a couple weekends ago. Feature tractor there was Minneapolis-Moline. I have a liking for John Deere tractors, but there were some of the older Oliver tractors there that had Detroit Diesel engines in the, 3-71s and 4-53s is what that they put in them when they built them, those things are something to hear especially with straight exhaust and in low gear with the throttle probably all but wide open.

the only way to run a Detroit is right up against the governor. they dont like to be lugged down. You havent heard anything pretty till you hear a 12V-71 wide open against the governor with open exhaust. Being they are 2-cycle and every cylinder fires every revolution, they sound like they are running at double the speed!!

As far as really old tractors go, my favorite is a Rumley Oil Pull!! Truely a beast in it's own class. I forget the actual dimensions but they are a 2 cylinder engine with something crazy like a 10 or 12" bore and somewhere around a 20" stroke!!
and they look much more like a steam tractor than an internal combustion kerosene engine!

Of course a .060 over 440 with 12.5:1 compression and 2 1/8" tube fenderwell headers spinning up 7500 RPM in a good second gear burnout is also sweet music! ! !   

Yea I know that with the Detroits the best way is to run them wide open, so it was kinda a disappointment to be standing there watching a parade of them go pass and a few of them didn't have throttle open very much them this woman comes past on one and the further she goes the more throttle she gave it, that sounded real good.
those old rumelys have a sound of their own, too. i guess part of it is from having the exhaust empty out into that big stack at the front which also is the radiator, but is oil cooled.

That'd be the cats ass in Sweden!  You probably have to take a second mortgage on the house to take it for a ride though.

As I recall Chrysler had a fair market share in Sweden back in the 50s and 60s, and there's a good number of old Mopar survivors there.  Good on you guys for preserving that big American iron which unfortunately meets with some disdain throughout most of Europe.

One exception appears to be Greece.  Jeeps are the most popular SUVs by far, and there's a fair number of Cadillac Escalades and even Hummers prowling around Athens.  $8/gal gas though...

The radiator / smokestack arrangement used the exhaust gas blown up through a venturi to create a suction that pulled the cooling air through the radiator. (no cooling fan) The reason that they used oil in the cooling system of the engine was to allow it to run at  much higher engine operating temperatures without "boiling over" those things were made long before the advent of ethyline glycol anti freeze and pressurized cooling systems.

The reason for the higher operating temperatures was to allow the "more succesful burning of low grade fuels" (per the manufacturer). They were sparkplug ignition low compression engines with carburetors that were designed to be started on gasoline and switched over to the "low grade fuels" after they warmed up. The "low grade fuels" they referred to were kerosene and/or fuel oil. Even back then they were 1/4 the price of gasoline.

Hej !

A short story about the Russian tank engine.

The Brittish Meteor V12 tank engine, is a modified Merlin V12 aero engine.
The Russians did the same thingm they took the Mikulin AM-38 and "modified". and the result was a diesel tank engine. However, the difference between the Russian engines is much greater than the Brittish engines.

It is correct that Chrysler had a quite big (for larger cars) market share here, however the New Yorker that belongs to my broter served it's two prevoius owner in Riverside Calif.

Detroit Diesels are not very common here, a few were used in commercial boats, not in road vehicles.
I have been in the US a few times and I have had the privilege of hearing trucks hauling heavy loads, powered by V12 DD (and otger DD's as well). Well I suddenly remembered that we had 6V-53 plus a Boing turbine in our S-tank, hence there are e few V6 DD's on the Swedish market, turbo plus blower. The do emit a nice sound...

I wish I had the space (and possibly some extra money) to get a GM 12-567 in the garage. Here in Trollhattan a company called NOHAB produced locomotives, first steam then later diesels. They also built the V12 or V16 GM (EMD) two stroke.     

6V-53s are really tough to find in these parts. I was looking for one for years to put into a pickup truck. They were not to be had for quite a while. They were primarily used in single axle dump trucks and certain industrial applications.

Their smaller size makes them ideal for swaps into smaller trucks. And with some simple mods they can make pretty good horsepower. Now I just dont have the time to persue the project.

I used to love Detroit's spec for the oil pressure. 2psi per 100rpm of operating speed. That's 10psi at idle!

Detroit engines were very popular engines in the Bristol Bay Alaska fishing fleet...Especially when the aluminum hulled gillnetters started being built...All sizes and configurations from 6v 53 single to twin 8V92 have been used to power these 32 ft boats....The noisiest Detroits are the straight 6 models...They require two mufflers to contain the exhaust note...A lot of the tenders and support ships use 12 and 16 cyl Detroits to run deck generators....There are still alot of them in service but they are being replaced by Cummins, Volvo ,Caterpiller, and John Deere.....
  While Prairie Dog hunting one Spring in Montana...I ran across a wheat farmer that showed me the World's largest Wheel Tractor..."BIG BUD"  powered by a 16 cyl Detroit..

Nothing in the way of diesels sounds any prettier than a 2-stroke 12V-71 running wide open right up "against the governor". Especially without mufflers.  But There will always be a warm spot in my heart for the good old 6-71. They just run and run. And........................ You can always rely on them to start on a cold day, unlike a Cummins.

I spent too many cold, wet miserable days out in the rain and cold getting trucks with Cummins 555s, 903s, 250s, 270s, and 350s started. We used to hook the leads from a big gas driven welder across the parallel switch to get them cranking on really cold days. That and 147 cans of either. All because the drivers wouldnt plug in the engine heaters the night before!! The Detroits would start no matter what!!