Title: F connectors for transmitting Post by: K6JEK on May 23, 2010, 04:18:16 PM I've started using 75 ohm coax and nice, compression F connectors on my receive antennas. What a pleasure it is to put one of those on with the correct tool instead of soldering on a PL-259. They are waterproof and cheap. DX Engineering actually recommends this now for receive antennas so I don't feel like a hammy hambone when I do it.
But can you transmit using them? I assume not but why not? Title: Re: F connectors for transmitting Post by: Opcom on May 23, 2010, 05:43:37 PM The only thing I'd worry about is the spacing for voltage insulation. If you are real picky, the tought of a 75 Ohm connector might bother you but at HF it is likely not an issue. I'd bet it would do 100W levels without trouble.
Title: Re: F connectors for transmitting Post by: W3SLK on May 23, 2010, 06:46:22 PM My Heathkit HW-101 and HW-16 both had RCA connectors for an antenna jack. Needless to say, I changed them to SO-239's.
Title: Re: F connectors for transmitting Post by: N3DRB The Derb on May 23, 2010, 07:34:40 PM 100 watts max is the most I'd ever try.
Title: Re: F connectors for transmitting Post by: W1AEX on May 23, 2010, 11:25:43 PM I will admit to running 100 watts through about 200 feet of RG-6, with F connectors on both ends, to a 10 meter vertical antenna mounted up in a tree. I used "F" to "PL-259" adapters at both ends. It worked fine for years on 10 meter FM and never gave me a bit of trouble. In fact, the same length of RG-6, which is out in the woods and buried under about 6 inches of soil, is currently used to feed one of my receive loops. As others have indicated, I don't think I would trust a setup like that at anything higher than 100 watts, and on AM, I might de-rate things a bit more.
I have to agree about the simplicity of installing F connectors. They crank on easily, and crimp perfectly every time. On top of that, RG-6 is very cheap and very low loss at HF-VHF. I use that stuff for all my receive-only HF antennas and scanner antennas. Title: Re: F connectors for transmitting Post by: K5UJ on May 24, 2010, 08:08:17 AM if you want decent 75 ohm coax you can get heliax with that impedance and 75 ohm andrew N connectors. MaxGain sells N to F adapters (someone does, I think it is MaxGain but don't hold me to that). I hate to be the one to say it but if DX Engineering sells something, that's more likely to make it hammy hambone :D These are the guys who sell little radial kits, a bunch of wires cut to some length with lugs crimped on them so Hammy doesn't have to do any lug crimping himself. They go with the radial plate. Full disclosure: I have and use one of those radial plates so I am something of a self-identified hammy hambone myself ???
But anyway, if you are worried about power and AM duty, 75 ohm heliax and the Andrew 75 ohm N connectors will handle it. Rob Title: Re: F connectors for transmitting Post by: flintstone mop on May 24, 2010, 10:09:04 AM I have seen the better connctors the cable and Sat people use and they are much better for waterproofing. They have a little more meat to them. Spacing might still be a problem for higher power.
Fred Title: Re: F connectors for transmitting Post by: KD6VXI on May 24, 2010, 10:36:51 AM I have seen the better connctors the cable and Sat people use and they are much better for waterproofing. They have a little more meat to them. Spacing might still be a problem for higher power. Fred Some of the ones the Sat guys use actually have gel inside them as well to seal against water. Looks like petroleum jelly. F connectors CAN get somewhat pricey, if you get the GOOD ones. I do NOT think they are constant impedance, though... Like the PL259, they ain't 75 ohms...... It seems I read that somewhere years ago, talking about using them in stations. --Shane Title: Re: F connectors for transmitting Post by: K6JEK on May 24, 2010, 11:43:07 AM I just found a site by VK1OD about using RG-6/U for transmitting. He doesn't recommend F connectors but he does make a case for using RG-6/U for transmitting.
I noticed this sentence: The breakdown voltage of RG−6/U is typically around 2.7kV, which would be reached at a power level of nearly 50kW in a matched 75Ω system. Heck I don't run that even on my good days. http://vk1od.net/transmissionline/RG6/index.htm Title: Re: F connectors for transmitting Post by: KB2WIG on May 24, 2010, 12:39:01 PM R,
" Full disclosure: I have and use one of those radial plates so I am something of a self-identified hammy hambone myself ??? " The first step to recovery is to admit that one has a problem. We are here to help. klc Title: Re: F connectors for transmitting Post by: WA1GFZ on May 24, 2010, 12:41:31 PM pl259 isn't 50 ohms
Title: Re: F connectors for transmitting Post by: flintstone mop on May 24, 2010, 01:16:53 PM pl259 isn't 50 ohms Roger, Roger 4-10 good buddy. PL259 not 50 ohms Type-N is Fred Title: Re: F connectors for transmitting Post by: The Slab Bacon on May 24, 2010, 01:28:06 PM pl259 isn't 50 ohms Neither is my antenna ??? ??? ;D ;D Title: Re: F connectors for transmitting Post by: KD6VXI on May 24, 2010, 03:20:22 PM pl259 isn't 50 ohms I agree. It's not 75, either. My point was, the F connector, LIKE THE RCA and PL connector are not 'constant impedance' devices. After breakfast, and rereading it, I can see how it was taken to mean unlike the PL. --Shane Title: Re: F connectors for transmitting Post by: w1vtp on May 24, 2010, 05:08:28 PM I have been using a technique for decades that W6SAI recommended. Works perfectly and I have cables that are still in good condition after 20+ years. It involves a BIG iron, a tubing cutter and DON'T use foam RG-8 style cable. Those interested, I'd be happy to share the info.
That aside, I ran across what I think is an excellent web page on connectorizing cables with PL-259s. http://www.bcdxc.org/pl259_crimp_on_connectors.htm I'm going to look into this method mostly because it offers some sort of wx proofing. I do NOT recommending using F connectors - but that's just my $0.02 worth. I like doing my own BNC (non-crimp) connectors for RF power applications under 100 watts, "N" connectors for UHF applications (again, non-crimp). Once learned, connectorizing with BNC and N connectors is not difficult. I still have BNC cables that I made 30+ years ago. It's worth the effort to learn how to put these connectors on correctly. I have accidentally removed equipment still connected with my BNC cables and caught the equipment with the sheer strength of the cable to connector connection from hitting the floor. Al Title: Re: F connectors for transmitting Post by: KM1H on May 25, 2010, 10:23:29 AM Ive run 1200W CW/SSB on 80/75 thru RG-6 using F to UHF adaptors at both ends for about 15 years with no problems. This is a sloper off the 100' tower and is used as an angle filler for the high inverted V when chasing DX. Ive run up to around 150W carrier on AM to it also.
Carl Title: Re: F connectors for transmitting Post by: KD6VXI on May 25, 2010, 11:07:35 AM Ive run 1200W CW/SSB on 80/75 thru RG-6 using F to UHF adaptors at both ends for about 15 years with no problems. This is a sloper off the 100' tower and is used as an angle filler for the high inverted V when chasing DX. Ive run up to around 150W carrier on AM to it also. Carl People would be amazed at what a connector will take. I've shoved 10 grand through a BNC at 10 meters before... Same thing as an N connector... But it sure doesn't LOOK like it would take that! --Shane Title: Re: F connectors for transmitting Post by: flintstone mop on May 25, 2010, 01:18:31 PM The original OP was aware of impedance, but was concerned for the skimpy design and running legal limit through it.
I was surprised that Carl pushed 1500 watts through one. Musta been a flat line. Fred Title: Re: F connectors for transmitting Post by: KM1H on May 26, 2010, 09:38:01 PM Just 1200W Fred ;D AMfone - Dedicated to Amplitude Modulation on the Amateur Radio Bands
VSWR got up to 2.5:1 at 3900. It is actually parallel elements cut for the CW and SSB DX segments where the VSWR was quite low. With such a low RF voltage and low duty cycle modes it survives well. I wouldnt want to try the 250TH's on 3885 8) Carl |