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 Ham Radio Operators a danger to our children (http://www.groupsrv.com/science/about454864-0-asc-0.htm)

Pretty much on a par with "killing Grandma" ;-)

You have to wonder what rock these people crawl out from under or where they picked up their notions in the first place.  The bad news, of course, is that somebody somewhere actually believes them. Sadly, even many of the responders commenting negatively on the dangers of ham radio to our children are as misguided and misinformed as the original ...

LOL. Nice troll.

The ELF reference pretty much says it all...

And they don't get that p.e.p. bullshit at all.  @ 125% positive peak modulation, WOR and WLS are running more like 250,000 watts if you apply the same standard as hams running 1500 watts.

They may be a bunch of kooks, but we hafta remember, they are "doing it for the children"!

Oh really, Polluting......Pollution...Polluted  used as Verb... Zed L R gets Polluted Not Often Enough.. ;D

i'm not allowed yet...


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Jack.

The author should practice what he preaches.  The first thing is, he should have the electric service cut off to his own house and get rid of his cell phone service.

Too many ignorant moonbats in this world.

First off - RF is non-ionizing radiation.   

The rest is Luddite ignorance masquerading as concern. 

Next thing you know, this guy will be parading Algore about having him claim that ham radio causes global warming! It sounds kooky but don't be surprised.

well there is HAARP..

Moon Bats or Mon-Backs..... :o


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Jack.

I have just completed an exhaustive new study, and have gotten a consensus that Vegetarians cause global warming!

According to a study conducted in 2007 by a major Californian university, Cow flatus is a major source of methane, a "green house" gas more powerful than Carbon Dioxide. Since many, many cows exist in the US and abroad, we have to limit the population by eating them. Every cow consumed eliminates some 900lbs of methane. Since PETA would not simply allow us to slaughter them outright and prevent a major global heat wave, we MUST eat them!
Since Vegans do nothing to eliminate this horrendous green house pollution, and in fact contribute quite a bit of their own flatus by virtue of their cow-like diet, they are a major source of flatus as well, compounding the effect. Recent studies show that Vegan Flatus has caused a large percentage of greenhouse warming and possibly some erosion and additional damage since they consume more than the normal amount of vegatation, which also causes CO2 increase in the atmosphere.

Fight Bunk science with MORE bunk science!  (politics at work caution, hip boots may be required in this area)...

Why talk about what this moron has to say?  Nice troll indeed...

Save the earth..... eat a Vegan!!

You know how they milk cows. Maybe we need  another interface to capture the gas and use it for fuel. Imagine a bunch of cows standing in a pasture with a hose conneted to their 6.

Off this board there is some discussion going on about this on email and one well known ham say's this:



I went to their site and so far I have not seen what has been posted above.

http://earth-liberation-front.org/ (http://earth-liberation-front.org/)

Now see what happens when somebody start's a rumor. now quit that chit an ....go to your room...and Not Your Radio Room...

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Jack.

As a very wise man told me on 3.733 last Friday:

"Never argue with a fool because sooner or later no one will be able to tell the difference."

that is too funny.    I wonder if the ELF fruits and nuts use microwave ovens.   1200 watts at 2.4 GHZ in your face (and kids' faces)  since every kid stares at food being cooked in a microwave


Tom - AB3FL

The thing is, Ignorance is so Damned Powerful.  if you can't see it or feel it, but I can point to some bad things that happen and say "IT caused that to happen." People will believe anecdotal evidence (Urban Legend) so easily.  Correcting incorrectly educated people is extremely difficult. 

Not to mention that ignorance and fear bread powerful political tools. The environmentalists have been using extreme arguments for decades to rail against pollution.  Anyone remember the fellow back in the '70's who said that Americas rivers would be boiling in ten years because of pollution generated heat.

Bunk Science is just that BUNK. Suitable for making flower grow or politicians rich. (pick one).

Keep the populace in the dark, and feed them what you want them to believe, and you can reap a great harvest.

Do you think I'm kidding? check out this BEAUT of an article about taxing COW FARTS!
http://www.farmanddairy.com/columns/taxing-cow-farts-the-strange-and-true-from-dc/10582.html
 
Or just Google it.  The real reason for this?  Beef is bad for you, Can't tax food directly so lets tax it indirectly under a BUNK science legislation.

How about the crap about cell phone radiation?   I think there is more threat from a car crash from talking on your cell while driving than from brain cancer or whatever from the radiation emitted by that device.
 More BUNK science.

Remember the key to winning your Dictatorship is Ignorance and FEAR. 
Quickly Brand opponents as evil and get other folks to "take the lead".

Ahh Machiavelli would be so Proud.

Well then,.. it's time for all gud Amateurs to arm themselves with more than just good looks and brains.

When dealing with Vegans and Enviro's and HOA's at any time they attempt to come across your property line you will pull out of your Magical Bag of Wizardly Tricks....The Sledg-o-Matic and begin with an Adjustment to their obvious short coming.

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Jack.

 

 

I'm comfortable with just good looks and brains  8)

I don't understand what all the hype is about when this thing is a fake ??? ??? ??? ???

Is it a fake?  An April Fool joke? A troll post maybe, but it was posted on the Science groupsrv.com forum on the 4th of September.  And it seems real enough, considering that the alleged poster claims affiliation with a group that has been knocking down AM broadcast towers and claiming that AM radio stations emit harmful radiation.

Even if it is a fake, it's something the nut cases could grab and start running  with.  The links to the FCC website, QRZ.com callsign data base and the ELF website are real enough.  How many forwarded e-mails do we all get every day from people we know, warning us about some outrageous conspiracy going on around us and urging us to forward a further copy of the message to everyone on our mailing list?

BTW, I  did a search on the snopes.com website, and as of now, no matches on the subject were found.

Terry,
Not a fake..!

These people are all over the place...

Do a google search for "ham radio dngerous to children", or "radio towers health threat children"...
Or any other phrase you can think up... and you'll find some group advocating getting rid of all RF, EMF, or any other thing they can think of.....
Probably sitting in front of their computer or talking about it on their cell-phones...

By the way, I saw a patent recently for a cell-phone radiation sheilding device, to protect the user from the deadly radiation...



Here's another article I found...
http://www.tcara.org/pdf_other-club-news_temp/2009-04-09_FutureOfYourRadioInstulations.pdf


"In 2008, a group of researchers in the school of Environmental Health and Safety at Stanford published
their findings that exposure to ham radio signals for three hours per day increased the risk of
hyperactivity and related disorders by 10% in children aged 12 and under. This effect was seen when a
typical ham radio was turned on up to B< mile away. The San Luis Obispo city office says that up to
11,000 children in that city live that close to a ham radio station.
The Stanford study showed that frequencies around 3.5, 7, and 14 Megahertz were the most harmful,
but that the danger existed all the way up to 450Megahertz and above."

Yo Bruce, the link will now work here :(

You have to cut and paste... won't accept direct links I guess...

Besides... this one may well have been an April idiots joke, though dated april 7.

But, it's just another example of mis-information that idiots can get ahold of and use to try and further their lost cause.

 ;D

Yup, that is the infamous April Fools joke that circulated last April and stirred up quite a few people. It can still be found archived in many places. The full text is here:

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.amateur.homebrew/browse_thread/thread/67214346154f09ab?pli=1

These "fear announcements" are annoying and attract a few maniacs, but other than raising blood pressure they fail in the end. Of course, there was that town that banned di-hydrogen monoxide for a period of time due to all the statistical evidence of its extreme danger...

They do have a point though. Letting your children listen to 3872Khz will definatly lower their IQs.

Well there's the Latest one Harrison Ford is Pushing.."Team Earth"...and he says Everybody is Part of the team.

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Jack.

 "" Of course, there was that town that banned di-hydrogen monoxide for a period of time due to all the statistical evidence of its extreme danger  "

Its realy dangerous stuff... You can make Explosives out of it with the commanly available Lead battery. Lead is a well known teratogen, and is a buy-product of nuklear reactions.


klc

To say nothing of 3910 mHz.

KC said:
When you think about it, di-hydrogen monoxide has killed quite a few people and made a few terrorists confess!!!  ;)

I hear a lot of AM on 3872.

Lately I've been hearing you guys in the East on 3873 around 0200 Z

I agree Bruce and we are doing a fine job here bringing it to the surface from the cesspool where it belongs  :o :o :o :o :o

Since the 24-hr jamming station fired up on 3890 I have been hearing a lot more AM on 3870-3880.

Now if he would just switch to upper sideband...   ;D

Last week I heard a few guys talking about someone playing music or something on there; I assume that was the jammer.  Probably another ham with a substance abuse problem.  Shouldn't be too hard to DF.

He's located in Belgrade Lakes, Maine.

The RF scare is more widespread than just the ELF and ALF terrorists.

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-lazarus9-2009sep09,0,7825195.column


And the dumb journalist makes this statement at the end.

"It's a compelling argument. And so far, no one can say with certainty that he's wrong."

I think somewhere in the universe there is a planet exactly like Earth with exactly the same people living on it as here on earth. There are even people there posting to an AM Forum Web Site. No on can say with certainty that I'm wrong. LOL.

These things lend themselves to the "Plausible Deniability" issue treat them as such.

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Jack.

That would not only be likely, but a certainty, if there were an infinite number of planets in the universe.

Not only that, but there would be another planet somewhere, exactly identical to this one except that at the moment no-one would be posting any messages on the AM Forum Web Site.  And yet another one with messages on the site but they would all be different from the messages posted on this one.  And still another one identical to earth in every minute detail including having amateur radio, but it would never have occurred to anyone to create a Citizens Band.

But now, the thinking seems to be more towards a closed system somehow folded in on itself, that is not infinitely large, so chances are extremely remote that there would be any such planets.

You can't prove I'm wrong, therefore I'm right. Ban all cell phones, and amateur radio transmitters too.   ;D ::)

I wonder if that AM Fone website on the other planet has the same cast of characters on it  ;)

I say it does. Prove that it doesn't.

That's not good.  That means there's another one of me.  Don't know if I can compete or live with that thought.

If you're philosophically bent, there is a physics theory (M-Theory) that there are multiple universes parallel to ours, and coexisting just a single dimension away but totally isolated (well not quiet, gravity is supposed to be able to traverse the gap - do you think we could Modulate a singularity?)
So on a purely theoretical basis, there could be a great many "yous" all slightly different based on decisions made in those alternate universes. "You" might even be dead in one of those other universes, or not even have ever been born. Humans might not exist or be so radically different as to be unrecognizable.

All things in probability combinations, although I think the limit on the number of universes was either 11 or 26 depending on certain attributes of the observer.

On a more earth-bound practical note, Google your own name and see how many people are YOU.  I was surprised at how many of me there are, unfortunately none of us appear to be rich  :-\.

They must be smarter than us cause they know enuf to hide from SETI !

There is probably a bigger dose of RF going into the brains of all the young woman walking around with cell phones attached to their heads.

Absolutely correct: end of story

Al