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Title: They're bringing back Schlitz!
Post by: kf6pqt on August 05, 2008, 12:49:10 AM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25970479?GT1=43001

 :D


Title: Re: They're bringing back Schlitz!
Post by: k4kyv on August 05, 2008, 01:13:06 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaEV0gGV418&feature=related


Title: Re: They're bringing back Schlitz!
Post by: WB2G on August 05, 2008, 01:47:15 AM
So Schlitz is back and being brought to you by Pabst Brewing co.which no longer even owns a brewery.All of their beers are contract brewed by others.Just another marketing ploy.


Title: Re: They're bringing back Schlitz!
Post by: K6JEK on August 05, 2008, 01:58:26 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaEV0gGV418&feature=related
Thanks for posting that great clip.

Jon


Title: Re: They're bringing back Schlitz!
Post by: Blaine N1GTU on August 05, 2008, 06:23:29 AM
I prefer Willer beer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tdiOD0jK1o (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tdiOD0jK1o)
its Willer time!!


Title: Re: They're bringing back Schlitz!
Post by: AF9J on August 05, 2008, 08:49:45 AM
Hmmmm,

Actually, they've been selling Schlitz around here for the past several weeks.  My dad used to be a Schlitz drinker when I was little.

Ellen - AF9J


Title: Re: They're bringing back Schlitz!
Post by: Ed/KB1HYS on August 05, 2008, 09:21:16 AM
The only person I can remember that drank Schlitz, was the neighborhood drunk.  He'd leave odd cans around in places, once we (neighborhood kids) found a sixpack.  We opened a can, tried it, and put it all back...  :P


Title: Re: They're bringing back Schlitz!
Post by: WA1GFZ on August 05, 2008, 09:30:33 AM
around here we called it shitz


Title: Re: They're bringing back Schlitz!
Post by: w4bfs on August 05, 2008, 09:36:51 AM
Hi Blain ... that Willer pix is out there a pretty good ways ! ... I like it ... haire' haire'  (ps good dog, good dog)


Title: Re: They're bringing back Schlitz!
Post by: W1EUJ on August 05, 2008, 10:23:16 AM
For those soul-crushing days,
when you drive home on autopilot,
and the lights at your home are already out for the night,
I will always return to the comfort of an Anchor Steam Beer.


Title: Re: They're bringing back Schlitz!
Post by: k4kyv on August 05, 2008, 11:29:10 AM
Schlitz was better than Budweiser (isn't almost anything?).  But now I drink only real beer, just as I operate only real radios.

http://www.yazoobrew.com/yazoomain.html


Title: Re: They're bringing back Schlitz!
Post by: K9ACT on August 05, 2008, 07:55:00 PM
Schlitz was better than Budweiser (isn't almost anything?).  But now I drink only real beer, just as I operate only real radios.


We bought a six of Schlitz a few weeks ago and welcome it as a megabrew that almost tastes like beer. It may have been like that in the 60's but real beer was long gone by then anyway.

It was not until I made my first trip to Europe in the 60's that I found out what beer was supposed to taste like and started making my own because nothing else was available around here.  Last year we decommissioned the brewery because there is so much good beer to choose from these days that it's not worth the trouble.

There is lots of lousy beer too but at least one can choose from a very large selection in most liquor stores now.

One can only laugh though when we are told that the world's worst beers are officially known a American Premium beer.

Because they were unable to rise above the noise level in the Great American Beer Festival, they coined this class so they could fight among each other and get blue ribbons without having to compete with real beer.

js





 


Title: Re: They're bringing back Schlitz!
Post by: ka3zlr on August 05, 2008, 07:57:48 PM
I'd sooner have a Bottle of Red Pop... ;D..Ice Cold...


Title: Re: They're bringing back Schlitz!
Post by: W1TAV on August 05, 2008, 09:40:37 PM
Ah'Yes,...Schlitz... Brings back some memories from the 70's.. In high school I worked in an "old time" garage. Around 5 PM the owner would pull out a dollar bill and one of those old plastic change holders (the ones you squeezed and they opened up in the middle) and take out 85 cents.  Without saying anything, you just went down to the package store and bought a 6 pack of Schlitz..  On Fridays, 2 dollars came out and 15 cents was handed to you that was the sign to go buy a six pack of Michelob! 
Then there is the story of when the package store burnt down, but we will save that of another time..
For what it is worth, 34 years later, I still stop by that old time garage and have a Miller with the old man.  He is 82 and now rents the place out to someone, however the tradition lives on!  It is a gathering place for former employees and customers. 


Title: Re: They're bringing back Schlitz!
Post by: Ed-VA3ES on August 05, 2008, 09:46:54 PM
Horsepiss, all of it!   ::)

Now this  is beer! (http://www.sleeman.com/en/global_images/bottles/cream-botCan.jpg)

Sleeman's Cream Ale   
Distribution:  In the United States:
customer.service@sleeman.ca



Title: Re: They're bringing back Schlitz!
Post by: KB2WIG on August 05, 2008, 10:01:09 PM
Fort Schyler..........  G*d dam!!! the worst stuff i ever had, with the possible exception of Price Chopper brand "Beer"


klc


Title: Re: They're bringing back Schlitz!
Post by: N3DRB The Derb on August 05, 2008, 11:33:16 PM
the official beer of Ashtabula Bill. need I say more?


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Title: Re: They're bringing back Schlitz!
Post by: k4kyv on August 06, 2008, 12:10:37 AM
Good Beer, No Shit (http://www.flyingdogales.com/beer-road-dog.asp)

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Road Dog Scottish Porter was the first member of our litter of ales to cross the line with the authorities. Shortly after its launch in 1995, we were told to remove it from the shelves due to the alleged use of profanity. The offending text was Ralph's inscription that simply read, 'Good Beer. No Shit.' We replaced the text with, 'Good Beer. No Censorship.' and with the help of the ACLU (American Civil Liberties Union) we fought to get the original text re-instated. In 2001 we achieved our goal and today, 'Good Beer. No shit.' stands proudly as a statement of fact on all Road Dog Scottish Porter labels.


Title: Re: They're bringing back Schlitz!
Post by: K9ACT on August 06, 2008, 12:17:22 AM
the official beer of Ashtabula Bill. need I say more?


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There ain't no beer ever put in a can that is anything but slop.

AB er ah I mean js


Title: Re: They're bringing back Schlitz!
Post by: N3DRB The Derb on August 06, 2008, 07:58:21 AM
I hate beer. really. never did.


Title: Boy Howdy !
Post by: Sam KS2AM on August 06, 2008, 11:03:34 AM
(http://www.creemmagazine.com/_site/ProfilesImages/Peter_Townshend_1974_11.jpg)


Title: Re: They're bringing back Schlitz!
Post by: N8LGU on August 06, 2008, 11:50:55 AM
    Here's the real skinny:
    REAL beer made in Europe, by law, can only consist of the following ingredients:
    -water
    -malted barley
    -hops
    -yeast
    Most beer made in America is adulterated with cereal grains and rice as it is much cheaper than malted barley. Hence the cheap taste.
    I prefer a Becks or Heiniken to the dog water they sell here. :D


Title: Re: They're bringing back Schlitz!
Post by: K9ACT on August 06, 2008, 12:48:59 PM
    Here's the real skinny:
    REAL beer made in Europe, by law, can only consist of the following ingredients:
    -water
    -malted barley
    -hops
    -yeast
    Most beer made in America is adulterated with cereal grains and rice as it is much cheaper than malted barley. Hence the cheap taste.
    I prefer a Becks or Heiniken to the dog water they sell here. :D

You are refering to the German Purity Law "Rhineheigtsgabot" (my spelling) which applies only in Germany and only to beer so labled.  I don't trust the Germans any more than any other country to abide by such laws anymore.

Real breweries have trucks full of malted barley in the receiving docks but "American Premium" breweries have tank cars filled with corn syrup and maybe a bag of malt just to keep the label honest.

But the best joke on Joe Sixpack is so-called "lite beer".  They take already lousy corn syrup beer and add enough water to it to reduce the calories and alcohol and the idiots love it.

js

 


Title: Re: They're bringing back Schlitz!
Post by: wb1ead on August 06, 2008, 01:15:45 PM
Aft all..consumed lots of different beers when younger..never Schiltz..can't do a comparison..by the way i always thought lite beer had the same alcoholic content as "regular" beer yes..no??
             Anyone remember the GIQ's?..in '67 when i could legally buy beer..fifty cents got you a Pabst Blue Ribbon GIQ or giant imperial quart..two or three got you into trouble..that was a cheap drunk!!
                          73 de DAVE


Title: Re: They're bringing back Schlitz!
Post by: NE4AM on August 06, 2008, 02:01:58 PM
When you can go to Best Buy and buy a Crosley radio, or a Bell and Howell camera, both chinese knock-offs, it does my heart good to see a familiar name revived and still made in the US.  Though, for both beer and radios, I prefer the homebrew.

73 - Dave


Title: Re: They're bringing back Schlitz!
Post by: KB2WIG on August 06, 2008, 02:37:29 PM
 " lite beer had the same alcoholic content as "regular" beer yes..no?? "

Less ETHL, less Calories.

klc


I have to admit i was involved in the tastes test that led to Utica Club Light.... it was free,; we had to answer a questioneer to get another free case...


Title: Re: They're bringing back Schlitz!
Post by: K9ACT on August 06, 2008, 07:53:09 PM
" lite beer had the same alcoholic content as "regular" beer yes..no?? "

Less ETHL, less Calories.



And what is the cheapest way to do that?  Add water, of course.

Lite is typically about 3.5 to 4% alcohol.  Not much better than what used to be called 3-2 beer.

"Standard" beer is supposed to be about 5%.

US law says anything over 5.5% must be called "Malt Liquor".

Another myth in this country is Bock beer.  This style is a high gravity dark beer that by defiinition has greater alcohol that typical beer.  As it is not labeled Malt Liquor, it obviously is not really Bock Beer.

The typical Bock is just the same old garbage with some carmel coloring added.

Anchor Brewing makes a really good Bock taste alike but it of course is not if it's legal.

js


Title: Re: They're bringing back Schlitz!
Post by: Ed-VA3ES on August 06, 2008, 10:11:47 PM
Real breweries have trucks full of malted barley in the receiving docks but "American Premium" breweries have tank cars filled with corn syrup and maybe a bag of malt just to keep the label honest.

But the best joke on Joe Sixpack is so-called "lite beer".  They take already lousy corn syrup beer and add enough water to it to reduce the calories and alcohol and the idiots love it.
js 


Couldn't agree more. Most domestic American (and Canadian beer too) is made from corn mash.  They maybe wave a bag of hops or barley over it.  The Canadian domestics, (Labatt, Molson, etc.) are all made from this  scrap. Tastes like it too.

BTW - most Canadian beer is 5% alcohol, except for Molson Brador (only available in Quebec) which is 5.5%.  Most of the imported Ales I drink are higher than  that.


Title: Re: They're bringing back Schlitz!
Post by: k4kyv on August 06, 2008, 10:12:49 PM

You are refering to the German Purity Law "Rhineheigtsgabot" (my spelling) which applies only in Germany and only to beer so labled.  I don't trust the Germans any more than any other country to abide by such laws anymore.


Wheat beers were originally forbidden by the Reinheitsgebot (German beer purity law), that forbade the inclusion of anything but barley, hops and water (spontaneous fermentation was used instead of yeast). Some say the law was originally intended to save wheat for the baking of bread. Roger Protz states that the Bavarian royal family held a monopoly over barley production and wished to prevent the use of other grains in beer from undermining their monopoly. All the while, the royal Wittelsbach gangsters were still enjoying wheat beers denied to the general population. The laws were relaxed to allow the Schneider brewery to brew wheat beers in 1850. Schneider Weisse is still one of the better examples of the type, and somewhat darker than most.

http://www.germanbeerguide.co.uk/hefeweiz.html



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But the best joke on Joe Sixpack is so-called "lite beer".  They take already lousy corn syrup beer and add enough water to it to reduce the calories and alcohol and the idiots love it.

They add something to the "lite" beers that gives me a headache, besides the fact that it tastes like a shandy made with low quality beer and some cheap imitation of Perrier water.

I thought maybe the headache was my imagination, but my father-in-law says it affects him the same way.

I notice that in the beer section of in any grocery store round here, typically about 40% of the shelf space is taken up with Bud Lite, and maybe another 30% with regular Budweiser, 25% with other brands of American lawnmower beer (doesn't taste too bad right after you have just finished cutting the grass), and maybe 5% with real beer.

If beer preferences, as indicated by what is stocked on the store shelves, are a cross-section sample of voters, no wonder we have such a lousy bunch of politicians elected to office.



 


Title: Re: They're bringing back Schlitz!
Post by: Sam KS2AM on August 06, 2008, 11:20:04 PM
Real breweries have trucks full of malted barley in the receiving docks but "American Premium" breweries have tank cars filled with corn syrup and maybe a bag of malt just to keep the label honest.

But the best joke on Joe Sixpack is so-called "lite beer".  They take already lousy corn syrup beer and add enough water to it to reduce the calories and alcohol and the idiots love it.
js 


Couldn't agree more. Most domestic American (and Canadian beer too) is made from corn mash.  They maybe wave a bag of hops or barley over it.  The Canadian domestics, (Labatt, Molson, etc.) are all made from this  scrap. Tastes like it too.

BTW - most Canadian beer is 5% alcohol, except for Molson Brador (only available in Quebec) which is 5.5%.  Most of the imported Ales I drink are higher than  that.

No Brador in Ontario, eh   ;)  ?  Not the last time I checked: 

http://www.thebeerstore.ca/Beers/branddetails.asp?id=0641 (http://www.thebeerstore.ca/Beers/branddetails.asp?id=0641)


(http://www.thebeerstore.ca/images/Main-header.gif)



Title: Re: They're bringing back Schlitz!
Post by: K9ACT on August 07, 2008, 12:40:08 AM

Wheat beers were originally forbidden by the Reinheitsgebot (German beer purity law), that forbade the inclusion of anything but barley, hops and water (spontaneous fermentation was used instead of yeast).


They didn't know what yeast was at that time and thanks for the spelling.  I was counting on you for that.
Interesting history on the reason for the law.

As a point of interest, I have never been able to develop a taste for wheat beer.  It reminds me too much of some of my early disasters when I first started brewing.

One in particular, was intentional as an experiment.  I made a typical batch but used baker's yeast just to see what it would taste like.  And in retrospect, it tasted very much like wheat beer and many of those expensive highly regarded Belgian Trapist ales.  These all taste to me like they are playing a game with the Gringos to see what kind of garbage they can be conned into believing it good.

>They add something to the "lite" beers that gives me a headache, besides the fact that it tastes like a shandy made with low quality beer and some cheap imitation of Perrier water.

I know quite a few people can not drink commercial beer at all because of headaches.  We have a number of friends who can only drink our beer for the same reason.

>I notice that in the beer section of in any grocery store round here, typically about 40% of the shelf space is taken up with Bud Lite, and maybe another 30% with regular Budweiser, 25% with other brands of American lawnmower beer (doesn't taste too bad right after you have just finished cutting the grass)

Yes it does.  I would rather drink water.  This is also a problem with taverns and most restraunts.  Fortunately, I also enjoy wine but I can not sit down to a bar and drink the crap that local thugs force them to sell.

>If beer preferences, as indicated by what is stocked on the store shelves, are a cross-section sample of voters, no wonder we have such a lousy bunch of politicians elected to office.

As the Roman elite used to say, pan e circensus  give them bread and circuses and they won't bother us.
Now that translates to Bud and foodball games.

js



 

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Title: Re: They're bringing back Schlitz!
Post by: KF8XO on August 07, 2008, 01:19:37 AM
"When your out of Schlitz, your out of beer."


Title: Re: They're bringing back Schlitz!
Post by: Ed-VA3ES on August 07, 2008, 02:15:05 AM
No Brador in Ontario, eh   ;)  ?  Not the last time I checked: 
http://www.thebeerstore.ca/Beers/branddetails.asp?id=0641 (http://www.thebeerstore.ca/Beers/branddetails.asp?id=0641)

Right you are!   I hadn't checked the Beer Store's listings for Brador, as I find it too filling (at 6.2%, no wonder!).    I can't even finish one of those!   :o


Title: Re: They're bringing back Schlitz!
Post by: KC4ALF on August 07, 2008, 10:04:43 AM
I still Remember Stroh's. Used to pass the old brewery near philly I think it was.
As horrib;e as it is you couldn't go to a Pirates game and not drink Iron City. When I go home I always bring a cple of cases down to keep in the fridge for moochers. It's amazing how long they will stay in there  ;D


Title: Re: They're bringing back Schlitz!
Post by: flintstone mop on August 07, 2008, 10:31:42 AM
The Chinese might say "It's Mirror Time"

Fred


Title: Re: They're bringing back Schlitz!
Post by: k4kyv on August 07, 2008, 12:01:37 PM
I used to attend the Cincinnati Stag Hamfest back in the mid 60's, held the 3rd weekend in September every year.  You paid somewhere between $5 and $7 for admission (expensive for a hamfest at the time), but the ticket included access to all the Hudepohl (http://www.tinsel.org/beer/hudepohl.html) you could drink.  At several locations in the flea market there was a barrel on tap and you just helped yourself.  I was always careful not to overindulge, out of fear of missing a good purchase at the flea market.  It was 90% flea market, with very few commercial vendors.

The goodie selection at that hamfest was almost equal to Dayton, even though the outdoor vendor area was only about 1/3 the size or less. One of the events was always a radio-controlled model plane flying demonstration in the afternoon.

It was located at Stricker's Grove, just north of town.  But sometime in the early 70's, the original Stricker's Grove was sold to a developer, and the park was relocated about 10 miles farther out of town.  The new location was a nice enough place for a hamfest, but attendance dwindled from what it was at the original site.  They eliminated the "stag only" policy as well as the all-you-can-drink Hodepohl feature.  It evolved into just a run-of-the-mill medium-sized hamfest.  The last time I attended was sometime in the late 80's or early 90's, when I decided it was no longer worth the 300-mile journey to Cincinnati and back.


Title: Re: They're bringing back Schlitz!
Post by: k3sqp on August 07, 2008, 12:02:48 PM
It's interesting that in most cases when a beer "returns' it's because the"brand " was sold
not the brewery. Recently Anheuser-Busch bought the Rolling Rock brand. Rolling Rock
is now made IN NJ ( Ithink) nowhere near the "glasslined tanks of old Latrobe" In fact from those
same tanks now comes Samuel Adams Lager. Jim Koch  from Boston has always contract brewed his beers
at various locations. One of the first to make Sam Adams was Pgh Brewing Co. The maker of Iron City beer.
 Pete Slosberg  of Petes Wicked Ale also operates in this manner...
    Interstingly the growth of micro brewers  and home brewing in the USA came in 1976 when
a mistake was found in the law that repealed prohiibition. The law should have read that it
was permissible to make ,at home 200 gallons of wine or  beer. However the word beer was omitted
and in 1976 the correction was signed into law by Pres. Jimmy Carter...
Frank
K3SQP


Title: Re: They're bringing back Schlitz!
Post by: K9ACT on August 07, 2008, 12:52:33 PM
  Interstingly the growth of micro brwers and home brewing in the USa came in 1976 when
a mistake was found in the law that repealed prohiibition. The law should have read that is
was permissible to make at home 200 gallons of wine or  beer. However the word beer was omitted
and in 1976 the correction was signed into law by Pres. Jimmy Carter...
Frank
K3SQP

Too bad I couldn't copy you this well on 40 last night Frank.

I think the real surge in homebrewing was when a guy named Papazian started Zymurgy magazine and the American Homebrewers Association.

His classic book and efforts converted the homebrewer from the brunt of jokes about bathubs to some of the most expert brewers on the planet.

He attracted the interest of professional brewers and scientists who took the guesswork and black magic out of the process on a small scale.

The quantum leap from making beer from canned extract to using fresh malted barley was in no small way, assisted by the development of the MALTMILL (TM) which allowed hombrewers to properly crush the malt at a price they could afford.

In all humility, I must confess to being the developer of said mill.  To date, we have sold over 20,000 of them and it is still considered the Rolls of small mills.

For the real hype..... http://schmidling.com/maltmill.htm

js


Title: Re: They're bringing back Schlitz!
Post by: W4EWH on August 07, 2008, 03:16:31 PM
You are refering to the German Purity Law "Rhineheigtsgabot" (my spelling) which applies only in Germany and only to beer so labled. 
 

I saw a stand-up comic doing a routine about that law: he asked what kind of purity we could expect from a law passed in the 1600's. Maybe, he said, the brewer was required to clean the dead birds out of the brew before bottling.

W1AC


Title: Re: They're bringing back Schlitz!
Post by: W4EWH on August 07, 2008, 03:30:12 PM
... for both beer and radios, I prefer the homebrew.


I'm curious: how much time and money would I expend to brew my own beer?

I'm not, by any means, a connoisseur, so I just need the basics: so
long as I can be sure it will come out with Ethanol in it instead of
Methanol, I'd be happy to try it.

W1AC

P.S. What is the deal with Methanol, anyway? Everything I've read
about moonshine includes draconian warnings about winding up blind
drunk or dead. Hype? Truth?


Title: Re: They're bringing back Schlitz!
Post by: flintstone mop on August 07, 2008, 04:22:58 PM
I knew a fella who brewed his own. I don't think it's that complicated. You can make it any strength or color you like.
Fred


Title: Re: They're bringing back Schlitz!
Post by: W1GUD on August 07, 2008, 04:40:30 PM
K44KYV:  you rock sir!!!

Thanks for the Jerry Lee

73....

Warren W1GUD

Tampa 3675 AM


Title: Re: They're bringing back Schlitz!
Post by: w4bfs on August 07, 2008, 04:43:58 PM
I hope I get this right ... ethanol boils at 172 degrees F @ atmospheric pressure ... the next fraction to boil is Fusel oil, which boils at 176/178 F ... Fusel oil is something I don't know much about but I'll bet its nasty ... methanol or wood alcohol is not ordinarily a product of sugar fermentation ... blindness comes from impurities (such as lead salts from old radiators) leaching out during distilation ... If you are going to make your own, you need to know what you are doing ... 73 .. John


Title: Re: They're bringing back Schlitz!
Post by: k4kyv on August 07, 2008, 05:48:30 PM
Interestingly the growth of micro brewers  and home brewing in the USA came in 1976 when a mistake was found in the law that repealed prohibition. The law should have read that it was permissible to make ,at home 200 gallons of wine or  beer. However the word beer was omitted and in 1976 the correction was signed into law by Pres. Jimmy Carter...

I'm not sure it was actually illegal to homebrew beer before 1976.  As I recall you could mail order the ingredients back in the 50's, from obscure ads in the back pages of magazines like Popular Mechanics.  The only people I ever heard of getting busted were makers of moonshine whiskey.

I recall once seeing an old set of instructions for a homebrewing kit sold during Prohibition.  They gave step by step instructions exactly how to do it, but every  sentence was written in the negative...

"Don't boil the water.  Don't add malt.  Don't allow it to ferment, etc."

around here we called it shitz

Q: Why should women not pee on the beach?

A: Because they might get sand in their Schlitz.


Title: Re: They're bringing back Schlitz!
Post by: K9ACT on August 07, 2008, 07:42:39 PM
You are refering to the German Purity Law "Rhineheigtsgabot" (my spelling) which applies only in Germany and only to beer so labled. 
 

I saw a stand-up comic doing a routine about that law: he asked what kind of purity we could expect from a law passed in the 1600's. Maybe, he said, the brewer was required to clean the dead birds out of the brew before bottling.


Can't help but compare this to the biblical food laws that millions of religious folks still practice as if they were still valid.

js


Title: Re: They're bringing back Schlitz!
Post by: K9ACT on August 07, 2008, 07:53:05 PM
... for both beer and radios, I prefer the homebrew.


I'm curious: how much time and money would I expend to brew my own beer?

Equipment and labor aside, the raw materials for all grain beer is on the order of $1 per gallon.


P.S. What is the deal with Methanol, anyway? Everything I've read
about moonshine includes draconian warnings about winding up blind
drunk or dead. Hype? Truth?

Pure hype to make the evening news.

First of all, this only applies to distilled products not beer.  The amount of methanol in fermented product is in the noise.

The first runnings from a still contain a small amount of methanol and standard practice is to throw this away.  In a 5 gallon still, this would be the first few ounces.

If the moonshiner was really dumb or just couldn't wait, he risked methanol poisoning.  If it was left in the hooch, it would probably not ever be noticed.... just good practice.  End of story.

js







Title: Re: They're bringing back Schlitz!
Post by: k4kyv on August 07, 2008, 10:40:40 PM
Can't help but compare this to the biblical food laws that millions of religious folks still practice as if they were still valid.

Actually, many of those old taboos about food and cleanliness and uncleanliness as described in Leviticus are consistent with hygienic principles known to-day.  Maybe they didn't understand the scientific reasoning behind it, but at least they were observant enough to figure out a list of rules, some of which would encourage survival in a world with essentially no medical care, even though the only thing they knew was to attribute it to the supernatural.


Title: Re: They're bringing back Schlitz!
Post by: K9ACT on August 08, 2008, 12:21:51 AM
Can't help but compare this to the biblical food laws that millions of religious folks still practice as if they were still valid.

Actually, many of those old taboos about food and cleanliness and uncleanliness as described in Leviticus are consistent with hygienic principles known to-day.

Cleanliness is FB but  condemning pork out of hand hardly fits any hygienic principles that I know of today.

How about not frying a steak in the same pan that had a drop of milk in it ten years ago?

I think Reinheitsgebot had a lot more science in it than Leviticus.  BTW, I went back to your posting and cut and pasted Reinheitsgebot.  It boggles my brain to try to spell it.

js
 


Title: Re: They're bringing back Schlitz!
Post by: AJ1G on August 08, 2008, 01:54:24 AM
Hi Neighbor - have a 'Gansett!  I remember going to the Narragansett Brewery in Cranston back in the 70s when I was at URI for their Oktoberfests.  Their Porter was pretty good, but the generic Gansett wasn't that great.

Worst beer for a hangover I've ever had was Jamaican Red Stripe at the AUTEC TFC (Thousand Fathom Club) in the Bahamas.  I was told that was due to the formaldehyde they are allowed to add as preservative  in beer sold outside of the USA.  Got a pounding headache from them.

Sam Adams just had a homebrew beer contest here in New England.  They were talking it up on the New England/Baltimore preseason football game tonight.  They had over 1000 entrants.  The winner, a recent BC grad, came up with the winning brew.   Sam Adams brewed up a batch of it and was selling it tonight at Foxboro at the game....

My personal beer favorites are Guinness and Bass Black and Tans when it's cold and Coronas or Kaliks with limes when it's hot.


Title: Re: They're bringing back Schlitz!
Post by: AF9J on August 08, 2008, 06:15:12 AM
Frankly, the typical generic US & Canadian beers bore me - too thin and too sour IMO.  My favorites are a good decent Porter or Stout beer.  I used to like Bock beers, until they started cheapening them up ingredientswise, making them nothing more than a darker colored regular US pilsner or lager. 

There are a fair amount of micro breweries in Wisconsin, but, when I was in college in the 80s, there were many more small breweries than there are nowadays.  Leinenkugels used to be independant.  It's still brewed in Chppewa Falls, but ever since Miller bought them out, tastewise you can tell that the recipe was messed with/cheapened, into the typical corn beer thing.   Walters (whose Hibernia Bock was good stuff) is gone.  Rhinelander is owned by Joseph Huber.  FOUR beers I DON'T care for:

1. Old Style - yech!   Fully kreusened?  More like fully poisened.  I can't stand bitter beers.

2. Beer/waters like Kingsbury, Old Milwaukee, Coors, Budweiser, Miller High Life etc.  No body and flavor.

3.  Strohs - a friend of mine insisted on buying pitchers of Strohs when we went out for a bite to eat in college.  I never understood her tastes in beer and food. Strohs IMO made Old Style taste sweet by comparison.

4.  Corona - a.k.a. Mexican Miller or Budwiser.  Talk about hype for a beer that's as thin, bland and tasteless as Miller Highlife or Bud.  Oh yeah, and then make it seem different by having people do the weisse beer thing - only with a lime instead of a lemon in the beer.

BTW, does anybody remember Schmit beer?  Nasty stuff, but I remember the outdoorsy scenes they had on the beer cans.  Personally I'm not a big fan of beer in cans.  There seem to be just enough ions that leech out of the can into the beer, giving it a metallic taste I can't stand.   Keystone (a cheap beer marketed years ago [that I never drank]) used to plug the fact in radio commercials that their beer cans were plastic lined to get rid of the metallic taste.  Nope, for me beer's on tap or out of a bottle.  Or, I don't drink it.  I'm not a heavy drinker (thanks to seeing first hand, the effects of alcoholism on couple of my relatives).  I drink a beer for its flaver - not to catch a buzz.  Hence, no canned beer.

73,
Ellen - AF9J


Title: Re: They're bringing back Schlitz!
Post by: ka3zlr on August 08, 2008, 06:28:39 AM
If i had Stock in Bud for all the money i spent on that I'd be retired by now....ah well that's then...

How about Homemade Wine any one perken any...?


Title: Re: They're bringing back Schlitz!
Post by: K3ZS on August 08, 2008, 09:38:18 AM
Back in the 80's I had my first taste of real beer from a microbrewery.   I started making my own after that since all you could buy around here was the usual American style beer.   Rather than making it completely from scratch, I bought the premade malt syrup with brewer's yeast.   Following the directions on the can yielded a weak tasting beer not much better that the bought beer.    I found a web site from a homemade beer maker that told you how to really make it.    Basically it said use one pound of malt (either dry or syrup) per gallon of water.    I used a lager malt syrup with an equal weight of dark dry malt (like used for Guiness and other true dark beers), five pounds for five gallons.   Dry hopped it with Hollertau hops.   Also you must use little corn sugar (not table sugar) in each bottle for secondary fermentation.    Leaving some air space in each bottle after capping so they don't blow up, after six weeks it was the best beer I ever tasted.    Some friends also said the same thing.   Since then a new beer distributor started carrying foreign and microbrew beer, I buy that now by the case.


Title: Re: They're bringing back Schlitz!
Post by: k4kyv on August 08, 2008, 10:21:34 AM

Cleanliness is FB but  condemning pork out of hand hardly fits any hygienic principles that I know of today.

How about not frying a steak in the same pan that had a drop of milk in it ten years ago?

Trichinosis is a parasitic disease caused by eating raw or undercooked pork.  They didn't understand the technical details in those days, so they simply shunned pork altogether, and it evolved into a religious and culturally based taboo that continues to this day, despite the knowledge we have gained since then.  Moslems also are directed to avoid pork.

I'm not sure of the origin of the taboo of mixing meat with dairy products.  Although some of those old beliefs originated from valid health precautions, I'm sure a lot of pure superstition got thrown in.  2500 years ago there was little if any distinction between science and superstition.

It's like Southern Baptists and Islamists, regarding alcohol.  There are clearly known dangers to overindulgence, but that sensible precaution has led to a provision in the prescribed belief system, that touching one drop is enough to condemn a person irrevocably to burn in hell fire for all of eternity.


Title: Re: They're bringing back Schlitz!
Post by: K9ACT on August 08, 2008, 12:39:00 PM


Moslems also are directed to avoid pork.


As a born-again Atheist, I am an equal opportunity heckler and wasn't picking on any particular religion.

I was just challenging the assertion that because the German Purity Law was from 1600, it is meaningless.

Translating to "purity" aside, it prevents compliant brewers from including any of the 100 or more "additives" used by not-so compliant brewers.  Someone just mentioned formaldahyde as a great example in addition to my pet peeve which is corn syrup instead of malt.

js

 


Title: Re: They're bringing back Schlitz!
Post by: W1QWT on August 10, 2008, 04:06:59 PM
Bringing back Schlitz eh! This is begining to be a trip down beer nostalgia road. Wonder if it is because the marketing types figure there is a big market of baby boomers who cut their teeth on these products.
I was in the 'packie' yesterday picking up my bottle of wine. Since my heart surgery I've been having a glass of wine a few times aweek instead of lots of beer.
Well they had a table set up and were having beer tasting with Narragansett beer. So I took a taste and immediately was flooded with memories. All my old beer neurons were firing!
The man told me that  Narragansett is now back and under new owners who are brewing it like the old stuff complete with water from Scituate RI. I told him that I remember my buddies in 1961 stealing GIQ's off the beer delivery truck and then we would go to the swimming hole to enjoy the summer day. Nothing like a sunny day, cool water, and cold beer! We were just young 13 year old miscreants!
So I took some home with me and I am enjoying it right now.
Ah Pabst, Narragansett, Schlitz, Carling Black Lable, and Ballantine!
 Regards
Q
W1QWT


Title: Re: They're bringing back Schlitz!
Post by: W8EJO on August 10, 2008, 04:40:25 PM
I'm long past Schlitz.

Can no longer drink Bud, Miller, Coors, etc., however I do have my favorites.

Favorite breweries/beers:
#1) GREAT DIVIDE BREWERY, Denver, CO
A) Hibernation Ale 8.1% ABV
B) Yeti Stout 9.5% ABV
C) Hercules Double IPA 9.1% ABV

None of these brews are for the faint of heart but if taste is whats important to you then go for it.  I have found none tastier.

#2) Bell's Brewery, Kalamazoo, MI
A) Bell's Porter
B) Kalamazoo Stout
C) Two Hearted Ale (A double IPA named after Michigan's UP Two Hearted River made famous by Ernest Hemingway in his short story (Big Two Hearted River)

#3) Rogue Brewer, Newport, OR
A) Shakespeare Stout
B) Mocha Porter

#4) Dogfish Head Brewery, Milton, DE
A) 90- Minute IPA 9.0% ABV (very similar to Great Divide's Hercules Double IPA)
B) World Wide Stout  18% ABV (This is the biggest brew I've ever had. 


Title: Re: They're bringing back Schlitz!
Post by: k4kyv on August 10, 2008, 06:02:43 PM
Well they had a table set up and were having beer tasting with Narragansett beer. So I took a taste and immediately was flooded with memories. All my old beer neurons were firing!
The man told me that  Narragansett is now back and under new owners who are brewing it like the old stuff complete with water from Scituate RI. I told him that I remember my buddies in 1961 stealing GIQ's off the beer delivery truck and then we would go to the swimming hole to enjoy the summer day. Nothing like a sunny day, cool water, and cold beer! We were just young 13 year old miscreants!
So I took some home with me and I am enjoying it right now.
Ah Pabst, Narragansett, Schlitz, Carling Black Lable, and Ballantine!

Do they still sell Knickerbocker in the Northeast?


Title: Re: They're bringing back Schlitz!
Post by: KA1ZGC on August 10, 2008, 09:39:49 PM
Schlitz hasn't been gone all that long.

Back in the early-mid '90s when the "ice" beer trend was sweeping the continent, I was stocking shelves at a Shaw's supermarket in Waterville, ME to pay the bills (don't try this at home). The overnight shift ended at 8:00 AM, and we'd all take a walk down Beer Avenue to grab our favorite swill to haul out into the parking lot and drink with our manager (completely against company policy, of course, so we weren't shy about whipping out the 811s while we were at it).

At least three full doors of the cooler were the "ice" beers, with more brands showing up every day.* I used to joke with my co-workers how funny it would be if we one day saw "Schlitz Ice" in that section of the cooler (as nobody had seen a Schlitz can in quite some time), we'd all have a good chuckle, then go get drunk.

Imagine the look on my face when one day I saw a plain blue twelve-pack box with the familiar red bow-tie and the word "ICE" underneath it in white block letters.

Don't look at me like that, I'm not making this up.

Satire and reality were colliding right before my very eyes. I almost bought it just to keep as evidence, but figured my money was better directed towards something I'd actually want to drink.

Speaking of "ice" beers, the one cheap buzz that I do enjoy is Molson Ice. Not so much for the flavor (it tastes slightly less skunk-pissy than Heineken) but for the alcohol content: 5.6%.** Some of my shack pics in the gallery bear this out.

I'm willing to bet that whatever you find with the Schlitz label is likely spillage from your local big-name brewery, just as there's no "Mad Dog" region of California.

--Thom
Killer Agony One Zipper Got Caught

* The one that convinced me that America has gone entirely to the auspices of extremely stupid people was "Coors Artic Ice". Why? Look at the spelling, that's exactly the way they spelled it. Someone must have eventually caught on, because they stopped distributing it altogether just a few months after it was introduced. I hope Coors lost a fortune on that one.

** Someone stated the "malt liquor" cutoff was 5.5%, that's inaccurate. You can acheive 5.6% without distillation, which is what determines a beer vs. a malt liquor.


Title: Re: They're bringing back Schlitz!
Post by: K9ACT on August 11, 2008, 12:56:09 AM

** Someone stated the "malt liquor" cutoff was 5.5%, that's inaccurate. You can acheive 5.6% without distillation, which is what determines a beer vs. a malt liquor.[/size][/i]

It's not a question of what one can do.  You can make 10% beer without distillation if you work at it.

It a question of taxes.  Big Brother just found another way to add a new tax. Malt Liquor is taxed at a rate between beer and spirits.  Aren't they clever?

But so are the breweries.  Guess where that extra alcohol comes from?

They remove it from the non-alcoholic line and put it into the malt liquor line.  No coincidence that they all make both.  No still involved at all.

Sort of like the dairies promoting low fat milk so that can sell the cream at a premium.

js


Title: Re: They're bringing back Schlitz!
Post by: KA1ZGC on August 11, 2008, 02:41:53 AM
It's not a question of what one can do.  You can make 10% beer without distillation if you work at it.

It a question of taxes.  Big Brother just found another way to add a new tax. Malt Liquor is taxed at a rate between beer and spirits.  Aren't they clever?

They sure like to think so, but you and I know better.

My point was that 5.5% is not the correct number. What I drink is 5.6%, clearly labeled "beer" (the words "malt liquor" don't appear anywhere on any of the labels), and that's been the case for the 15 or so years they've been squeezing the stuff out (the fact that it's "Canadian" doesn't apply, since it's bottled and distributed here).

I know why they do it (I'm sure someone along the line used the catchphrase "for The Children"), but that's a seperate issue.

--Thom
Killer Aircraft One Zeppelin Goes Crash


Title: Re: They're bringing back Schlitz!
Post by: K9ACT on August 11, 2008, 09:44:51 AM


My point was that 5.5% is not the correct number. What I drink is 5.6%, clearly labeled "beer" (the words "malt liquor" don't appear anywhere on any of the labels), and that's been the case for the 15 or so years they've been squeezing the stuff out (the fact that it's "Canadian" doesn't apply, since it's bottled and distributed here).


Ah, but the fact that it's made in Canada might.  I have never seen alcohol content on a beer label so it must be a Canadian thing.

I stand corrected if the number is 5.6 instead of 5.5%.

>I know why they do it (I'm sure someone along the line used the catchphrase "for The Children"), but that's a seperate issue.

Yes, the "chirren" but it's ok to teach them to masterbate.

js



Title: Re: They're bringing back Schlitz!
Post by: KA1ZGC on August 11, 2008, 01:46:05 PM
My point was that 5.5% is not the correct number. What I drink is 5.6%, clearly labeled "beer" (the words "malt liquor" don't appear anywhere on any of the labels), and that's been the case for the 15 or so years they've been squeezing the stuff out (the fact that it's "Canadian" doesn't apply, since it's bottled and distributed here).


Ah, but the fact that it's made in Canada might.  I have never seen alcohol content on a beer label so it must be a Canadian thing.

Odds are they brew it here, too. Wouldn't make much sense to brew it in Canada and truck it here just to bottle and distribute it.

It would all depend on whether the law is written to cover beers brewed here or beers sold here, not unlike "export" models of CB amplifiers sold here in the States that the FCC busts retailers for on a routine basis.

I know why they do it (I'm sure someone along the line used the catchphrase "for The Children"), but that's a seperate issue.

Yes, the "chirren" but it's ok to teach them to [masturbate].

Not sure I want to touch that (no pun intended), but in my day instructions weren't necessary.


Title: Re: They're bringing back Schlitz!
Post by: K9ACT on August 11, 2008, 08:39:33 PM

Odds are they brew it here, too. Wouldn't make much sense to brew it in Canada and truck it here just to bottle and distribute it.


Consider what Coors does/did. They ship what they called "beer concentrate" from the land of "mountain spring water" in railroad tank cars to the East Coast.  When it arrives at the East Coast "brewery", they add local ditch water, bottle it and call it Coors Lite.

>It would all depend on whether the law is written to cover beers brewed here or beers sold here..

The law is written to maximize tax revenue.  Sort of like raising cigarette tax to discourage smoking.  They can claim they are doing it for the "chirren" but they also destroy villages to save them.

js




Title: Re: They're bringing back Schlitz!
Post by: KA1ZGC on August 12, 2008, 11:41:37 AM
It would all depend on whether the law is written to cover beers brewed here or beers sold here..

The law is written to maximize tax revenue.  Sort of like raising cigarette tax to discourage smoking.  They can claim they are doing it for the "chirren" but they also destroy villages to save them.

Apples and oranges, Jack. You missed the point entirely.

I give up.


Title: Re: They're bringing back Schlitz!
Post by: k3sqp on August 12, 2008, 03:08:41 PM
In the wide weird world of beer classification..
The Beer family tree has 2 branches based on type of yeast, "top
fermenting ( ales wheat beers stout , porter, IPA, Belgian and even spontaneously
femented ( Lambic et al)
    "Bottom fermenting" All lager types including Pilsner, Bock , Marzen and
last but not least American Malt Liquor.
   In this list the  ABV varies from Berliner Weisse at 2.5 to 3 % to
Barley Wines, Old Ales and Double Bocks at  12.5 to 15.0 + ABV.
    Alcoholic strength varies because of the legal requirements of various
countries and in the US, by various states...
     But as always, alcoholic strength is not a measure of quality...

Frank
K3 San Quentin Prison
AMfone - Dedicated to Amplitude Modulation on the Amateur Radio Bands